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Jimmy Fullerenex

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Jun 7, 2011, 10:24:09 PM6/7/11
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Hi everyone,
I'm not sure by what criteria would hh return "File type not supported" when dealing with a  not-so-large .tns. Attached documents are all downloaded from TI-Bank and official website, yet my 3.0.2 CAS refuses to open. Could anyone help checking them up for me? THX.
 
Cheers,
Jimmy Fullerenex

atibank.tns
cube.tns
ico_sphere.tns
Klein.tns
tore.tns
chembalance2.tns

Don Shepherd

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Jun 7, 2011, 10:39:38 PM6/7/11
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Those files may have an extension of .tns, but they are really
compressed zip files apparently. Whomever uploaded them didn't do it
right, I'd say.
>  atibank.tns
> 2KViewDownload
>
>  cube.tns
> < 1KViewDownload
>
>  ico_sphere.tns
> 1KViewDownload
>
>  Klein.tns
> 5KViewDownload
>
>  tore.tns
> 5KViewDownload
>
>  chembalance2.tns
> 7KViewDownload

Jimmy Fullerenex

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Jun 8, 2011, 12:06:02 AM6/8/11
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And is there a way to make them work on hh? (I regret I don't have an SS)
Cheers,
Jimmy Fullerenex



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Lionel Debroux

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Jun 8, 2011, 3:32:30 AM6/8/11
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Hi,

> > > I'm not sure by what criteria would hh return "File type not
> > > supported" when dealing with a not-so-large .tns. Attached
> > > documents are all downloaded from TI-Bank and official website,
> > > yet my 3.0.2 CAS refuses to open.
> > > Could anyone help checking them up for me? THX.

> > Those files may have an extension of .tns, but they are really
> > compressed zip files apparently. Whomever uploaded them didn't
> > do it right, I'd say.

> And is there a way to make them work on hh? (I regret I don't have
> an SS)

You're right, Don, those are ZIP files compressed with the standard (08)
compression format - but they are perfectly valid TNS documents
nevertheless ;)

08-compressed files are suitable for OS versions which understand this
clear-binary format, i.e. 1.1-2.1.0.631 (maybe 2.1.1.38 as well).
In OS 3.x, TI removed backwards compatibility with those clear-binary
files. OS 3.x versions flat out refuse to open these valid files, they
understand only the DES-encrypted files compatible with OS 1.2-2.1.0.631
(and again, maybe 2.1.1.38), noted by the proprietary 0D compression format.

It follows from the above that in order to be able to open these files
on newer OS versions, one needs to open them with OS 1.2-2.1 and re-save
them.
If you have already installed OS 3.0.2, and thereby made your calculator
unable to downgrade to any older OS version (in the current state of
things - and stripping the boot2 3.x through TNOC doesn't help), you
need the computer software.
If you wish, in the process, you may blame TI out loud for this
user-impacting move.


Lionel.

Jimmy Fullerenex

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Jun 8, 2011, 9:11:08 PM6/8/11
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And how about these ones in Lua (attached)? The hh returns "An error was found in the format of this document" (quite different from the last refusal cases)
I'd really appreciate it if someone with the computer software can help me restore the documents (along with those in my previous post) on OS 3.0.2
Thanks in advance.
Cheers,
Jimmy Fullerenex



2011/6/8 Lionel Debroux <debroux...@gmail.com>

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15puzzle.tns
FallDown.tns
Puissance4.tns
Puzzle.tns

Jimmy Fullerenex

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Jun 8, 2011, 9:16:43 PM6/8/11
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And how about these ones in Lua (attached)? The hh returns "An error was found in the format of this document" (quite different from the last refusal cases)
I'd really appreciate it if someone with the computer software can help me restore the documents (along with those in my previous post) on OS 3.0.2
Thanks in advance.
Cheers,
Jimmy Fullerenex



2011/6/8 Lionel Debroux <debroux...@gmail.com>
Hi,

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John Hanna

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Jun 9, 2011, 7:45:52 AM6/9/11
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If TNS files are created from Lua scripts using non-TI products, do not expect miracles.

 

A Lua script written for TI-Nspire can be converted to a TI-Nspire app/page using TI’s Scripting Tools program available from the NspireScripting website posted earlier. And… the code must conform to TI’s scripting protocols.

 

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Andy Kemp

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Jun 9, 2011, 8:18:15 AM6/9/11
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Indeed - you should contact the authors and ask them to reconvert the scripts using the official TI Scripting Tools...
 
Cheers
Andy

Lionel Debroux

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Jun 9, 2011, 12:09:19 PM6/9/11
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> > > And how about these ones in Lua (attached)? The hh returns "An
> > > error was found in the format of this document" (quite different
> > > from the last refusal cases)
> > > I'd really appreciate it if someone with the computer software
> > > can help me restore the documents (along with those in my
> > > previous post) on OS 3.0.2
> > If TNS files are created from Lua scripts using non-TI products,
> > do not expect miracles.
> >
> >
> > A Lua script written for TI-Nspire can be converted to a TI-Nspire
> > app/page using TI’s Scripting Tools program available from the
> > NspireScripting website posted earlier. And… the code must
> > conform to TI’s scripting protocols.
The code does conform to TI's scripting protocols. What's used in there
was found by reverse-engineering ;)
It predates any release of documentation and tools by TI, which itself
shortly follows the involuntary leak of said documentation and tools on
the site of a third-party.

> Indeed - you should contact the authors and ask them to reconvert
> the scripts using the official TI Scripting Tools...
Not sure it would do much good for him - the authors do not necessarily
have, or can run, TINCS, which is required by TI's tool ;)


Jimmy, have you tried opening these files with OS 3.0.1, and re-save them ?


Lionel.

Andy Kemp

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Jun 9, 2011, 12:23:30 PM6/9/11
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If they don't have the TI-Nspire Computer Software then they can always download the demo, but unless they bought their handhelds quite a while ago the software has been included for free with the handhelds since the 2.0 release, and was included in the $10 touchpad faceplate kit...



Lionel.

Lionel Debroux

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Jun 11, 2011, 9:32:13 AM6/11/11
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Hi Jimmy,

Here's a breakdown of the files you posted to the tinspire group. I was
able to convert 8 out of 10.

* atibank, cube, ico_sphere, Klein and tore: converted without a hitch.
However, they look like files suitable for the Ndless versions of
Make3D, so you won't be able to use them anyway.

* 15puzzle, FallDown and Puissance4: converted without a hitch. They're
known third-party Lua script files.

* Puzzle: not converted, because it's a Ndless program. Ndless 3.0, if
and when it is released, might read it, but it's not guaranteed.

* chembalance2: not converted.
Where did you get that alien file ?? This is a Lua script wrapped into a
document whose parts are both compressed with the standard 08 DEFLATE
method, so:
* OS 3.0.x reject it because the Document.xml part is not compressed
with the proprietary 0D scheme;
* OS 1.7.2741, which understands files compressed with the 08 method,
but not Lua, strips out the Lua script.


Lionel.

15puzzle.tns
atibank.tns
cube.tns
FallDown.tns
ico_sphere.tns
Klein.tns
Puissance4.tns
tore.tns

Jimmy Fullerenex

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Jun 11, 2011, 8:03:59 PM6/11/11
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Thanks so much, Lionel.
P.S. the alien "chembalance2" is actually downloaded from the most formal and authoritative TI official website (within "Lua Document Examples"), to tell the truth.  ;)
Cheers,
Jimmy Fullerenex



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Ray Fox

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Jun 20, 2011, 12:06:28 AM6/20/11
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What is the purpose of the files?
I was able to download, but did not know what to do past that.

Jim Fullerenex

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Jun 20, 2011, 12:14:17 AM6/20/11
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And are you able to open it up?

2011/6/20 Ray Fox <kenr...@gmail.com>



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Ray Fox

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Jun 20, 2011, 10:44:53 PM6/20/11
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yes, but I do not know what to do with it!!

Jim Fullerenex

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Jun 20, 2011, 11:38:10 PM6/20/11
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That's so lucky! The "chembalance" seems to provide an interactive exploration of balancing chemistry equations, according to TI's description, but I have no idea of its details because I still can't open it up after extensive trying. And as Lionel pointed out, it seems to be a weirdly coded document.

2011/6/21 Ray Fox <kenr...@gmail.com>



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