Nspire 3.0.2.1791

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Andy Kemp

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May 19, 2011, 6:51:28 PM5/19/11
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Looks like a new build is now available on the website...

I've not had a chance to test it yet...

Sean Bird

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May 19, 2011, 6:57:09 PM5/19/11
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The CAS does the deSolve as desired.

Andy Kemp

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May 19, 2011, 7:06:16 PM5/19/11
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I tried the other sample errors that were floating around before and haven't seen any problems...

However for those hoping this would be 3.1 (i.e. an upgrade from 3.0), I am fairly confident this is just a  bugfix release of the previous 3.0

I also did a reset on my handheld and it shows no signs of the previous 'bricking issue'

I assume software upgrades will be available soon as well...

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Jessica Kachur

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May 19, 2011, 7:16:00 PM5/19/11
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When I download the Handheld OS for the CX in CAS, I get a file that looks very much like the non-CAS OS.  It even has the same .tno extension. 
 
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From: Andy Kemp <an...@kemp.co>
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Subject: Re: [tinspire] Nspire 3.0.2.1791

Lionel Debroux

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May 20, 2011, 2:40:32 AM5/20/11
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> When I download the Handheld OS for the CX in CAS, I get a file that
> looks very much like the non-CAS OS. It even has the same .tno
> extension.
The link used to be wrong, but it seems that it has now been fixed :)


OS 3.0.2.1791 has a stronger anti-downgrade protection than OS
3.0.1.1753 has: after installing 3.0.2.1791, even if the boot2 upgrade
was removed from the TNO/TNC with TNOC, you won't be able to downgrade
to any publicly released OS version, not even 3.0.1.1753.

OS 3.0.2.1791 also refuses to open third-party Lua programs made with
the current methods. They have to be opened and re-saved with 3.0.1.1753
before 3.0.2.1791 accepts to open third-party Lua programs.


Lionel.

Jimmy Fullerenex

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May 20, 2011, 4:58:13 AM5/20/11
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So Lua is technically blocked (at least made more inconvenient) again? Since the Ndless for previous OS were all disabled, what on earth are TI officials thinking about? Do they have a particular disgust with third-party programs on Nspire? Judging from the great discrepancy between Nspire and TI-89's programmability, the most logical job for TI now is to improve Nspire's programming capacity as much as possible, not giving us disappointment again and again.
Cheers,
Jimmy Fullerenex



2011/5/20 Lionel Debroux <debroux...@gmail.com>

Andy Kemp

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May 20, 2011, 5:05:44 AM5/20/11
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If you read the article on the front page of TI-Bank, it appears TI is actually reaching out to the community and have invited some of them to get involved in testing the Lua scripting... 
 
The article is in French but is quite readable if you stick it through Google Translate:

Jimmy Fullerenex

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May 20, 2011, 5:15:22 AM5/20/11
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So maybe we should take that as a happy omen: I'd just comfort  and persuade myself that TI is making efforts to improve the original Lua scripting, so temporarily it blocks all other third-party programming abilities.
Cheers,
Jimmy Fullerenex



2011/5/20 Andy Kemp <an...@kemp.co>

Lionel Debroux

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May 20, 2011, 6:09:14 AM5/20/11
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> > If you read the article on the front page of TI-Bank, it appears TI
> > is actually reaching out to the community and have invited some of
> > them to get involved in testing the Lua scripting...
Chances are that documentation / tools / whatever would be under NDA,
though. And the compatibility between participating to the open,
collaborative development community and signing NDAs is, er, less than
perfect, for obvious reasons.

Some people remain disappointed by the fact that some areas of the
Nspire's BASIC trail behind even e.g. the TI-81 (which was first sold
before a number of community members were born) and are eager to use Lua
(they're starting to, in fact), which shows great promise for several
types of programs.
Should it be confirmed that documentation / tools / whatever be under
NDA, I think that unless the conditions to become eligible to NDA are
nearly equivalent to public (i.e. *anyone* who asks TI for it gets the
whole set of documentation and tools), or there's an official promise
that the NDA period would be very short (several weeks), tools and
documentation under NDA could generate friction between the happy few
who have it and the many who don't...
This clearly has disruptive potential for the open collaborative
development community. Would some unrest in the community be _entirely_
undesired, from TI's POV ?

0D-compressed+encrypted files _can_ be decrypted - that's how Lua was
discovered in the first place, without having been announced in any
release notes or similar documents. If any file made with embargoed
documentation / tools / whatever were to be released, it would soon be
reverse-engineered and publicly documented...


> So maybe we should take that as a happy omen: I'd just comfort and
> persuade myself that TI is making efforts to improve the original Lua
> scripting, so temporarily it blocks all other third-party programming
> abilities.

Only time will tell, I guess.


Lionel.

Jimmy Fullerenex

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May 20, 2011, 8:15:01 AM5/20/11
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It is quite beyond me why Nspire is particularly allergic to third-party programming. TI must have blocked them (including Lua, Ndless...) for some yet unknown reasons, I guess. After all, the curious thing is, Nspire is one of the few models that have such significant discrepancy between awesome calculating\graphing power and shabby programming capabilities.
Cheers,
Jimmy Fullerenex



2011/5/20 Lionel Debroux <debroux...@gmail.com>
> > If you read the article on the front page of TI-Bank, it appears TI


Lionel.

Lionel Debroux

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May 20, 2011, 9:03:31 AM5/20/11
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TI's OS 3.0.2 has pretty easily earned a spotlight on /.:
http://games.slashdot.org/story/11/05/20/0545201/TI-vs-Calculator-Hobbyists-the-Next-Round


Some day, would the powers that be at TI Education - and I really mean
the top management - be so kind as enlightening teachers, users and
programmers about the reasons why they're handling the Nspire platform
that way ?
After they have done so, everyone will keep the right to agree or
disagree, and act upon that - but at least everyone will know.


Lionel.

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