Can't load my timing anymore

[Just4Fun]

Hi,
I've start using TimeAnalyzer a few days ago, to design a timing for a project.
I've saved every change, but suddenly  I can't load it anymore. Only half of the signals are present.
If I read the file with an editor, it seems that all the signals are present, but not they don't load into the program.
And the program doesn't start anymore until I delete my file.
I'm using last version on linux Kubuntu 12.04 LTS.
My file is attached.
Cheers.

[Dan Fabrizio]

Hi,

I noticed some of the State values for ADD[7:0] and another signal were missing in Z80_IO_Read.tim 

I added some values with a text editor which seems to fix the problem. 

My question is how did that happen?   Do you know?   

Compare my attached file to yours to see the differences.

Are you using Oracle Java?  Which version.

Thanks, Dan

 

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[Just4Fun]

HI,
I've just found the same solution... exactly what you said... I found this doing some tests with an editor...!!!
(I was just writing to you about this...)

now it works perfectly...!

I have no idea how this is happened... I noticed that sometimes doing changes on the various signals there are some strange graphic situations with overlapped traces...
To solve those, I've found a trick to select edges and bring them to the end of the signal, making them disappear... may be this can be the cause... I don't know...
Anyway I'll post here a screenshot of this overlapping traces if they will do it again...

Thanks for you fast support!  Very impressed...!!!

Your program is very useful....!!! Thanks again! Perfect to check timing and events... and for documentation too...

[Just4Fun]

Hi, there are little differences respect your edit..

here is the screenshot with file I've manually edit myself (see attach)

On the signal DATA_LATCH there are "strange" overlapping states, like those I mentioned before....

On Sunday, October 30, 2016 at 11:35:22 AM UTC+1, Just4Fun wrote:

[Just4Fun]

Here is the output of java -version command:

java version "1.7.0_80"
Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.7.0_80-b15)
Java HotSpot(TM) Server VM (build 24.80-b11, mixed mode)

On Sunday, October 30, 2016 at 11:35:22 AM UTC+1, Just4Fun wrote:

[Just4Fun]

Sorry.. I mean overlapped states, not traces...

On Sunday, October 30, 2016 at 11:35:22 AM UTC+1, Just4Fun wrote:

[Just4Fun]

And here the file I manually edited...

On Sunday, October 30, 2016 at 11:35:22 AM UTC+1, Just4Fun wrote:

[Just4Fun]

Here is an other strange status on bus D (on the right), appeared while editing to change from Z to a ATMEGA16 data output..

see attachment.

cheers.

On Sunday, October 30, 2016 at 11:35:22 AM UTC+1, Just4Fun wrote:

[Dan Fabrizio]

Hi,

DATA_LATCH shows edges at 4325 then 4495 then 4375 then 4495.  

Are you some how able to drag edges to left and pass other edges?

D[7:0] shows 3 edges  at 2362 3987 and 4350 all Z.  

Do you know how this happened?

If you are manually editing the .tim file,  you have to make sure all edges have incrementing time values and the states are not the same on consecutive edges.  

I will try to duplicate these things and add error checking to eliminate possible invalid operations.  

If you can tell me what you did to cause them,  that would help too.

In the mean time,  to work around these issues,  you can delete any edges that have time values less than the previous edge.  

Thanks,

Dan

   

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[Just4Fun]

Hi,
I haven't done any manual edit of the times in the .tim file...
As I can see, this happens if I edit using AP buttons and change some states.. and strange overlapping states appears... (as in the previous screenshots)

BTW I probably found the origin of the first issue... the missing states...  It happens if I write a blank text as "bus value" inside a bus. It seems ok, but after same editing and file saving ,it stops to load the file anymore... only writing something into the "state" blank fields solve the issue...

I've found an other issue when saving a view from the "image preview"... If I uncheck the  "include time ruler" button, the vertical state-bars disappear from the output...

On Sunday, October 30, 2016 at 11:35:22 AM UTC+1, Just4Fun wrote:

[Dan Fabrizio]

Thanks for reporting the problems.   I will add invalid operation checks to stop the problems you reported and fix the start bar issue in the image diagram. 

 

   

  

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[Just4Fun]

Thanks for your fast support!

After some days of intensive use I must say that your beta version in definitely usable.. really a great tool!!

The only thing that I really miss are the possibility to design those curve arrows that show the correlations between events (edges or stable states) of different signals...

On Sunday, October 30, 2016 at 11:35:22 AM UTC+1, Just4Fun wrote:

[Dan Fabrizio]

Thank you for the complement.  

BTW,  I'm currently adding Bezier Curves with arrow ends showing signal state and edge dependencies.      

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[Just4Fun]

Great!!!!
You have read into my mind... :)

On Sunday, October 30, 2016 at 11:35:22 AM UTC+1, Just4Fun wrote:

[Dan Fabrizio]

Hi, 

Can you repeat the problem with the image preview.  I have saved pdf, jpg, and png files and did not lose the statebars.   Another user reported this too but I haven't been able to duplicate it.  If you can send me your .tim file or tell me more details,  that would be great.

Thanks, Dan

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[Just4Fun]

Hi,
here is a .tim file that show the issue, and two outputs with and without the ruler (.pdf).
In that one without the ruler "some" vertical bars are missing.

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[Dan Fabrizio]

I should have a new beta version ready the weekend after thanksgiving.  

Thanks for the examples.

   

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[Just4Fun]

Great!!! I'll try it when available.

THX.

[Just4Fun]

Hi,
these last days I've used the last new version to heavily edit some timings.

The issue about missing vertical bars if ruler is off when "printing" is completely resolved.

I also noticed that now editing buses and simple signals is perfect. I mean that those strange overlapping transition are completely gone. Now editing is absolutely "relaxing"...

Also your decision to "explicitly" select the signals is a winner.

When I'll publish the project I'm working on now, I absolutely mention this great tool.

On Sunday, October 30, 2016 at 11:35:22 AM UTC+1, Just4Fun wrote:

[Dan Fabrizio]

Hi Fabio,

I'm glad to hear things are working better for you.  Going forward my focus is on fixing problems and improving the user experience with features that make it easier to use.

New features I'm currently working on are for the next release.

Curved Dependencies,  

variables for expressions in delays and constraints,  

hash lines and color fill for bus states.

Thank you for your feedback,

Dan

  

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