Pros and cons with TW5, as discussed in another group

[Mat]

I found this thread in a different forum, that discusses pros and cons with TW5. I think it is particularly valuable to hear from people who both are informed and who have decided to not use TW because these people typically don't bother to post on our own boards. No "back patting" so to say.

Can we draw any constructive conclusions from the discussion there?

<:-)

[LinOnetwo]

Hi Mat

Nowadays, most famous to-C Web Apps are Single Page App, likes Notion and Evernote, they both supports "export as single zip" and "sync to backend".

And TW also supports "export as single HTML" and "sync to backend", so about saving, TW don't have much downside, It's even being superior due to it is an open software (you own your data), and it's open for developers to connect it to new BaaS, for example, SoLiD or FileCoin.

For the writing experience, It has more significant Pros and Cons.

I think it has best editing experience among all semantic wikis, UI and learning curve is better than semantic media wiki.

But It has middle editing experience among team workspaces, for example, Quip and Notion have WYSIWYG editor, and don't have "draft", you can sync to backend immediately. TW can enable teamwork if you choose some backend, but there won't be realtime collaboration, syncadaptor can't help with that.

For personal KB part, I think it's the best, personal KB don't need realtime syncing, but need KB and methods to reuse data from KB, Notion can partially do that, but its API is very limited.

Coda can build CRM by composing macros, but its macro pool is way small than TW, Con on TW is that TW's macro needs to dive in and learn and find out (no such a macro market), and there is no a "/" menu (open a menu to select macro when you hit "/") to select macro, it all depends on your brain to remember.

Anyway, I think except for the realtime collaboration part, all other Cons can be overcome by plugins, all TW needs is time, it's open, so people will contribute to it.

在 2019年5月4日星期六 UTC+8下午10:40:26，Mat写道：

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Mat

That's interesting because it, I think, accurately represents common perceptions of TW.

For me the overriding lesson is that fragmentation of our resources continues to be a, if not the, major issue.

So, for instance, whilst a recent Twitter post is accurate and reflects some of the issues ...

I love tiddlywiki, but it reminds me a lot of e.g. emacs: more of an ideology than a coherent, ready-to-use piece of technology.

So much tweaking and fiddling to build really basic stuff on top of very solid foundations.

    @cemerick

     

... IMO there are three things in TW not sufficiently upfront that might well address it ...

1 -- exemplar REPLETE wiki for major fields (TW-Anthropologist; TW-ArtGallery; TW-Presenter etc) so potential end users do not have to fiddle around to get started in their field of interest.

2 -- a much simpler pathway to find relevant saving options. The easiest, with widest OS/browser support. Its not the issue it used to be. If anything its too rich now :-). (I know you worked seriously on this, but I'm unclear whether it worked out?)

3 -- an issue that is not about TW per se but seems pretty central. Coverage, publicity, information in resource listings not in the TW Community.

I'm aware (3) is a bit vague :-). Quite how to do it is maybe part of the issue on outreach?

Best wishes

Josiah 

[Melvin]

To chime in as quite an early user still (I started around mid June 2019) and know how to program in JS (but I'm not too familiar with the TW architecture yet).

I almost didn't use TW5 because of the saving issues. It is because of Noteself that I stuck around.

https://noteself.github.io

Noteself allowed me to immediately get started and not worry too much about saving in TW.

I did have issues after it, since the most recent version of Noteself uses TW 5.17, but I've learned how to do partial upgrades by directly copy/pasting new source files that I need.

[Handoko Suwono]

Great info.

We know how good TW is by comparing to other wikis.

From the thread I can find other wikis which are, Wikidot -
http://www.wikidot.com/ ; Redbooth - https://redbooth.com/ ; Notion -
https://www.notion.so and Nuclino has a broken link.

Still exploring for updates.

handoko -