Markdown with TW5

[Yitzhak Bar Geva]

TW5's wikitext is lovely. It's convenient, expressive and all the superlatives, but off the beaten track. Scrivener supports MultiMarkdown. My problem (and I believe I'm not alone) is that I want to push the same content out over different media and keep them synchronized.

[PMario]

On Thursday, August 15, 2013 4:10:10 PM UTC+2, Yitzhak Bar Geva wrote:

TW5's wikitext is lovely. It's convenient, expressive and all the superlatives, but off the beaten track. Scrivener supports MultiMarkdown. My problem (and I believe I'm not alone) is that I want to push the same content out over different media and keep them synchronized.

Hi,
As I wrote at github issues [1], I think Markdown[3] should be a valid subset of TiddlyWiki markup. ... but ...

As you point out, Scrivener supports MultiMarkdown [2] which says at its homepage:

MMD is a superset of the Markdown [3] syntax, originally created by John Gruber. It adds multiple syntax features ...

So it adds "syntax features" that are needed by Scrivenger. I personally like Github and its GFM (Github Flavored Markdown) and pandoc [5] (for printing) that also adds its own usefull features and can handle a lot of syntax flavors. .....

With this list, I just want to point out, that there are several different usefull Markdown dialects out there. So IMO TiddlyWiki should include the minimum set of Markdown syntax that is still useable for "simple text". The rest can be plugins.

IMO even Markdown as John Gruber designed it, should be a plugin, because this initial definition has some shortcommings, that all the other flavors tried to fix. We should not include them :)

What do you guys think?

have fun!
mario

[1] https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/124#issuecomment-22705113
[2] http://fletcherpenney.net/multimarkdown/
[3] http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/syntax
[4] https://help.github.com/articles/github-flavored-markdown
[5] http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/

[Jeremy Ruston]

There's a lot of posts about MarkDown and TW5 at the moment, so I'll reply here with as much detail as I can, and then review the other threads.

The situation is that:

1) TW5 wikitext is currently a blend of:

a) classic TW syntax for most basic formatting

b) MarkDown syntax for a few bits of basic formatting (code blocks, and allowing HTML tags)

c) GitHub Flavoured MarkDown for a few other bits of basic formatting (strikethrough, fenced code blocks) 

d) new syntax for TW5's tiddler operations: transclusion, lists, widgets, macros

2) My declared aim is to simplify things by adopting MarkDown-esque syntax for all basic formatting syntax, extending it with TW5 specific syntax for tiddler operations

My motivation in adopting (more) MarkDown is to take advantage of its familiarity to many users, and to permit the kind of interoperability that Yitzhak describes.

I'm familiar with MultiMarkDown. Much of MMD is oriented around page media (footnotes etc), and isn't directly relevant within TW5, but there's definitely some interesting stuff there. I'm not sure what I think of MMDs table implementation.

So, I think that the best way to interoperate with Scrivener will be by restricting content tiddlers to a common core of MarkDown syntax. If one wanted to publish that content both via TW5 and Scrivener, I'd expect to have to wrap it in separate templates for each target.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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[Yitzhak Bar Geva]

Sounds fine to me. I'm not waging a campaign on behalf of MMD, or Scrivener in particular, even though they are really good. The central issue is compatibility/convertibility.

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[NikoMilo]

Sorry to post here, it's just the last thread I could find. What is the status of being able to go from WikiText to basic Markdown? 

This is the only thing keeping me up at night when I'm using TW.