TiddlyFox threatened with extinction?

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Memophenon

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May 7, 2021, 5:52:50 PMMay 7
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As far as I know the Pale Moon (PM) browser version 29.1.1 is the last place where TiddlyFox (TF) can live, since the new version 29.2.0 of last month doesn't support antediluvian extensions anymore. There is a discussion going on now about breeding a better fitting type of TF (Looking at porting some extensions for my own use; anyone else interested in these?).

Maybe just a handful of people including me is a current (and grateful!) user of the PM/TF combination, or otherwise interested in it. Is there any chance of supporting the afore-mentioned initiative by the TiddlyWiki makers? Or is PM regarded as a quantité négligeable and should we simply accept that TW is condemned to live within the TiddlyDesktop?

Yakov

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May 7, 2021, 5:58:19 PMMay 7
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Hi, have you seen the updated list of savers and the Timimi plugin for FireFox? Have you tried it? It repeats features of TiddlyFox in almost all aspects and provides even some more (including backuping options), so I really suggest you to try it out.

Best regards,
Yakov.
суббота, 8 мая 2021 г. в 00:52:50 UTC+3, puik...@gmail.com:

vay...@gmail.com

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May 8, 2021, 3:28:19 AMMay 8
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Hi Memophenon. Does that mean Waterfox Classic has stopped supporting old extensions? (I deliberately don't update it because I don't want all me set up to break if they change everything). I think I did try Timimi but in the past but there was some problem, but I'll try it again.

Saving TW is an ongoing saga!

vay...@gmail.com

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May 8, 2021, 3:41:08 AMMay 8
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Just tried Timimi with chrome on linux and get "failed network error" when I try to save.

Thanasis Sklapanis

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May 8, 2021, 6:18:50 AMMay 8
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Hello friends.
Have you tried the save tiddlers extension (https://github.com/buggyj/savetiddlers).
For me it works fine with TWC and Chrome Version 90.0.4430.93 (Official Build) (64-bit)
Hope it helps!

Memophenon Bouqliqlë

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May 8, 2021, 9:38:02 AMMay 8
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Hi vay...@gmail.com,
Shortly after having posted this issue I discovered the existence of Waterfox Classic. I seem to remember that TF didn't work on Waterfox, and indeed it still didn't on the laptop where I had installed the so-called Current version last summer. But the most recent Classic version I installed yesterday fulfils its promise: TF is fully functional in this browser! That makes my list of usable browsers:
  • Internet Explorer 2004 on Windows 10 (I'd rather avoid this one)
  • Waterfox Classic 2021.04.2
  • Pale Moon <= 29.1.1
  • Tiddly Desktop
There could be more suitable browsers around, so if anyone knows other ones, please tell us. I have yet to test Waterfox on the Mac. This machine is occupied at the moment, but you'll hear more from me.


Op zaterdag 8 mei 2021 om 09:28:19 UTC+2 schreef vay...@gmail.com:

Yakov

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May 9, 2021, 4:42:01 AMMay 9
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Hi Vayira,

Timimi works with TWC only in FireFox (latest versions), in Chrome it only supports TW5.

Support of TWC in Chrome by Timimi is possible in principle, but it requires elaborate update of TWC core which I haven't finished and unfortunately it's not probable that I'll find time for that in the nearest future.

Best regards,
Yakov.

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Memophenon

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May 9, 2021, 8:10:32 AMMay 9
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My latest findings concerning TiddlyFox on Waterfox Classic: it also works on macOS. But I have my doubts about the life expectancy of this browser. See the comments in Waterfox 2021.04 Release.

A brighter future may shine for Timimi (thank you, @Yakov!). It has a lot of backup options. Reviews:

  • 747 Firefox users, ***** out of 14 reviews
  • 2.000+ Chromium family users, *** out of 7 reviews

I hadn't seen Yakov's last post while testing all kind of configurations. Now the work is done, I might as well publish the results:

  • Firefox on Windows and macOS: works for TW 2.5.0 and TW 2.9.2.
  • TW 2.5.0 in Chrome/Edge/Brave on Windows and macOS: does not work. TW pops up its error message "This page says: It's not possible to save changes…".
  • TW 2.9.2 in Chrome/Edge on Windows: TW is saved in Downloads folder, no backup
  • TW 2.9.2 in Brave on Windows and Chrome/Brave on macOS: you can choose the destination folder in a pop-up window, no backup

So Firefox is fully back in the playing field! And I haven't seen any Chromium-based browser benefiting from the add-on. I wonder where those 3 stars come from.


Op zondag 9 mei 2021 om 10:42:01 UTC+2 schreef Yakov:

Memophenon

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May 9, 2021, 10:01:56 AMMay 9
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 I wonder where those 3 stars come from. As an answer to my own remark: probably from TW 5 users. I must have been exhausted by all the testing when writing this.

Op zondag 9 mei 2021 om 14:10:32 UTC+2 schreef Memophenon:

vay...@gmail.com

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May 10, 2021, 3:14:42 AMMay 10
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Thanks Yakov. I just tested Timimi with TWC in firefox and it appears to work correctly there. That is good to know in case waterfox classic dies at some point.

Yakov

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May 10, 2021, 3:14:20 PMMay 10
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Thanks for thorough testing!

My latest findings concerning TiddlyFox on Waterfox Classic: it also works on macOS. But I have my doubts about the life expectancy of this browser. See the comments in Waterfox 2021.04 Release.

A brighter future may shine for Timimi (thank you, @Yakov!). It has a lot of backup options. Reviews:

  • 747 Firefox users, ***** out of 14 reviews
  • 2.000+ Chromium family users, *** out of 7 reviews

I hadn't seen Yakov's last post while testing all kind of configurations. Now the work is done, I might as well publish the results:

  • Firefox on Windows and macOS: works for TW 2.5.0 and TW 2.9.2.
  • TW 2.5.0 in Chrome/Edge/Brave on Windows and macOS: does not work. TW pops up its error message "This page says: It's not possible to save changes…".
  • TW 2.9.2 in Chrome/Edge on Windows: TW is saved in Downloads folder, no backup
  • TW 2.9.2 in Brave on Windows and Chrome/Brave on macOS: you can choose the destination folder in a pop-up window, no backup

Wait, are you saying that Timimi actually works with 2.9.2 in Chrome (but only in Downloads folder)? That's something that I didn't know, I should take a closer look.

Memophenon

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May 10, 2021, 3:40:44 PMMay 10
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Yes, even without having Timimi installed... er, no, it turns out to be standard behavior of the Chromium family. Somehow TW 2.9.2 triggers their download mechanism, where TW 2.5.0 doesn't. So I have to disappoint you in this respect.

Op maandag 10 mei 2021 om 21:14:20 UTC+2 schreef Yakov:

elsd...@gmail.com

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May 12, 2021, 4:39:46 AMMay 12
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On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 12:40:44 PM UTC-7 puik...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, even without having Timimi installed... er, no, it turns out to be standard behavior of the Chromium family. Somehow TW 2.9.2 triggers their download mechanism, where TW 2.5.0 doesn't. So I have to disappoint you in this respect.

The "fallback" download saver handler was added to TWClassic in version 2.8.1 (the last revision that I was responsible for).  Saving in older versions (i.e., TW2.5.0) only work with browsers that still support privileged file I/O functions.

-e

Memophenon

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Sep 14, 2021, 4:33:30 PM (4 days ago) Sep 14
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As a conclusion of my original post, I want to mention that TiddlyFox has been converted to TiddlyMoon as a Pale Moon extension. The maker had to fall back to the second last version of TiddlyFox for his work, but I can't see any harm done this way.

Op woensdag 12 mei 2021 om 10:39:46 UTC+2 schreef elsd...@gmail.com:
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