Are we TiddlyWikians? and what is out collective noun?

[TonyM]

Folks

You suggestion please

Are we TiddlyWikians?

If you are a TiddlyWiki enthusiast to what tribe do we belong?

What is our collective noun?

A Group of us collect here but what if we had a user group?, we could just be "users", but there's a lot of them around.

I am thinking due to the value of tags in TiddlyWiki our collective noun could be;

A group of TiddlyWikian's" is a "Rag Tag", or a "Tag Team"

Please post suggestions here, 

Regards

Tony

[Mat]

- TiddlyWikians

- fellow community members

- tiddler fiddlers

...maybe we're really tiddlers collectively making up a TiddlyWiki community?

<:-)

[K500 L501]

More branding oriented:: The MotovunJackCrowd

More realistic: tiddlywikians (self-explanatory)

Group:

"Rag Tag", or a "Tag Team" might confuse new users still trying to find their way

TW-team? TangoWhisky-Team?

SolutionCrew?TW-troop?

Dumbledore's  Jermolene's Army (core team?) ;/

Virenfrei. www.avg.com

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[Mat]

...maybe we're really tiddlers collectively making up a TiddlyWiki community?

I said this as a joke... but come to think of it, "tiddler" can be an anthropomorph'ed verb kind of like gamer or coder... so, yeah, I'm a tiddler!

<:-)

[TonyM]

I suppose tiddlywiki coder can can be contracted to tiddler but it feels like the instrument I play not the person who plays it. Perhaps. We are tiddlerists playing tiddlers. Or tiddlywiki is more of an ology, tiddlerologists or perhaps twikitarians?

Bit still no collective noun.

Perhaps a bundle of tiddlerologists.

Tony

[TonyM]

Twikitarians? Sine we are down to earth. Or are we.

[Mat]

Warning Tony, these identity politics in open source projects are what typically cause forks. "Oh them nasty tiddlerists talking smack about us tiddlers. And we're not even half as tiddly as them twikitarians. Make TW Great Again!"

I'm a proud tiddler, or as we prefer; tiddleur. If ever some tiddlerologist comes around I'd run him through a hash macro.

<:-)

[PMario]

Mat,

You are right. The naming is important ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WboggjN_G-4

-m

[@TiddlyTweeter]

lol! 

Are you part of the "The TiddlyWiki League" or the "Union of TiddlyWikians"? :-) 

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao TonyM

TonyM wrote:

Are we TiddlyWikians?

If you are a TiddlyWiki enthusiast to what tribe do we belong?

Despite the welcome humour in the thread I take it as an interesting question.

I think about it more. 

There is one obvious semantic problem in that "Tiddler" & "TiddlyWiki"  are descriptors of structure, not descriptors of either human activity or functional aim. Nor do they resonate phonetically well outside British English.  

Thoughts

Josiah

[@TiddlyTweeter]

TonyM wrote:

Are we TiddlyWikians?

If you are a TiddlyWiki enthusiast to what tribe do we belong?

First thought: its simply, maybe, too late to establish some convention on that. Perhaps on next version?

Second, the lingo itself is problematic. In British English "Tiddler" refers to small fish that live in shoals (brilliant structural description of TW). But it can also (in slang in some areas) refer to a person ("tiddler") relieving themselves ("I need a tiddle" [pee]). "Tiddly" is also a used slang word for being "slightly drunk" in addition to meaning "very small". My impression is also that other English speaking countries don't have the positive usages as part of everyday use?

Third, of words I'd say actually fit the activity of working with TW I think French derived words are quite a good match.

A "Bricoleur" is a maker of "Bricolage". This is akin to a "hobbyist" doing DIY, but in French the words are semantically richer--.implying the the resultant "Bricolage" is an achievement more than a simple sum of its parts. The "parts" are also usually "found" or "givens" or "mades", rather than just "bought". Its a strong sense of "free assemblage". The Bricoleur performs a creative integration.

Importantly there is no distinction between activity to create content (wiki for something) or an activity to tweak/code to achieve the former. (For instance, a bricoleur might be a mechanic making custom car from old parts; or equally they might be a visual artist assembling a collage.)

These French words fit pretty well, I think, the "activity" and "outputs" of users of all types of orientation.

Fourth, the other word that I think has mileage is "Quine" ... as a description of TW's uniqueness it has much merit. TW is one of the few practical examples of a working Quine (where a program's output is a modification of itself to be its own input). This self-modifying nature of TW is pretty damn unusual. I'm no programmer but I been quite surprised programmers don't seem to pick up and comment on this more?! 

SO, I've not answered your question really, but I think its an interesting one. 

Best wishes

Josiah

[TonyM]

Josiah

Thanks for your responses. I too think Quine may be a good stem word to work from but I noticed many quines raised are minimalist or trivial Quine. I would like to find out more about non trivial quines.

This Quine nature of tiddlywiki is far greater since it also includes the user interface, data storage, media handling, built in editor I would even go so far as to say it contains its own development environment, software development kit, providing a whole platform.

Tiddlywiki goes way beyond the trivial Quine to a comprehensive platform all in a Quine.

I think we need a new word. Or perhaps call it a " comprehensive Quine ", or complete Quine.

regards
Tony

Post script
If I could have a 100mb of storage and processing impeded in my brain it would be tiddlywiki.

[@TiddlyTweeter]

TonyM wrote:

... I would like to find out more about non trivial quines.

That is exactly what is interesting. 

I think there are very few? I don't know any except TW. But 'cause I'm not a computer scientist I can't be sure. 

Its a seriously interesting issue.

At first it looks obscure: Who cares whether it is or not? I think it matters and actually grasping what a quine is and that TW is one is extremely helpful.

Best wishes

Josiah

[Mohammad]

We are

Tiddlywikians