Current state of Tiddly Spot

[Andrew Sanchez]

Hello all,

I'm a new TW user and was wondering about the current state of Tiddly Spot.  I am a bit confused because the last post on Tiddly Spot's blogspot was from 2013, so I wasn't sure if it is still active or a viable/safe option for using TW.  Are there any other options for using TW in the cloud, so to speak?

Thank you!  I am very much looking forward to digging into all the cool stuff that is possible.  

Andrew

[Mat]

A fair question. I'm taking the liberty to CC your question and this answer to the people behind Tiddlyspot, cousins Simon and Daniel Baird, so they can answer personally as I think it is a question of general interest.

But to give you a quick answer of my own: Tiddlyspot is one of the corner stones in the TW community and has proven extremely reliable over the years even if there has not been any development over the past few years as you notice. Both Simon and Daniel were previously very involved in the community and have always been very kind and helpful. I personally create a new tiddlyspot every now and then and recently CTO (Chief Tiddly Officer) Jeremy now also welcomes tiddlyspot as a way for community members to contribute code as an alternative to github.

<:-)

[Felix Küppers]

Hi Andrew,

because you asked for alternatives:

other options for hosting a site include:

• google drive: https://community.articulate.com/articles/how-to-share-your-e-learning-course-for-free-with-google-drive
• github project pages: https://pages.github.com/ (e.g. tiddlymap is served like that).
  

-Felix

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[Andrew Sanchez]

Thanks for the recommendations, Felix.  

If I understand correctly, with both the Google Drive and Github options, I am unable to save updates directly into Drive or Github, where my Wiki is being hosted.  I must first save it to my computer, and then update the file on Drive or Github.

Am I missing something?  It would be awesome if I can edit the .html hosted on Drive or Github within my browser (just like on Tiddlyspot), without first having to save to my computer and push the changes to the host.

I would use Tiddlyspot, but when I create an account with the standard flavour option selected, it looks like I get MPTW instead.  The flavour they give me looks nothing like what is on tiddlywiki.com

On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 10:58:20 AM UTC-7, Felix Küppers wrote:

Hi Andrew,

because you asked for alternatives:

other options for hosting a site include:

• google drive: https://community.articulate.com/articles/how-to-share-your-e-learning-course-for-free-with-google-drive?page=9#comment-23554

• github project pages: https://pages.github.com/ (e.g. tiddlymap is served like that).
  

-Felix

On 16.06.2015 17:58, Andrew Sanchez wrote:

Hello all,

I'm a new TW user and was wondering about the current state of Tiddly Spot.  I am a bit confused because the last post on Tiddly Spot's blogspot was from 2013, so I wasn't sure if it is still active or a viable/safe option for using TW.  Are there any other options for using TW in the cloud, so to speak?

Thank you!  I am very much looking forward to digging into all the cool stuff that is possible.  

Andrew

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[Andrew Sanchez]

Thank you, Mat!

I will be looking forward to hearing from Simon and Daniel.

I am all for using Tiddlyspot, but it doesn't seem like it's working the way I expect it to.  When I create an account, selecting the "standard flavour," it looks nothing like the "flavour" on tiddlywiki.com.

I also tried to import my TW to Tiddlyspot, hoping that it would replace the flavour that I had after creating an account, and nothing seemed to happen.  Perhaps I didn't follow the instructions properly...

[Birthe C]

Hi Andrew,

http://tiddlywiki.com/#Saving%20on%20TiddlySpot


Birthe

[Felix Küppers]

Hi Andrew,

If I understand correctly, with both the Google Drive and Github options, I am unable to save updates directly into Drive or Github, where my Wiki is being hosted.

I think with Google Drive a direct synchronization is possible. if you install the drive on your machine. It will then sync with the cloud. See https://support.google.com/drive/answer/2374989?hl=en

Am I missing something?  It would be awesome if I can edit the .html hosted on Drive or Github within my browser (just like on Tiddlyspot), without first having to save to my computer and push the changes to the host.

Probably not in the case of google drive (see my sentence above) but you correctly identified the main obstacle that exists when using github. You always have to "push" changes.

I would use Tiddlyspot, but when I create an account with the standard flavour option selected, it looks like I get MPTW instead.  The flavour they give me looks nothing like what is on tiddlywiki.com

In case of tiddlyspot, I think it is really nice but I am not well acquainted with it. Better wait for a response from Mat to your question, he once helped me out with tiddlyspot setup as well ;)

-Felix

P.S.
Just to mention two projects that might be related to your question:

• I think Jeremy once worked on a dropbox solution that synchronizes, not sure what the current state is though.
• Danielo also worked on a way to sync files with Google drive where each tiddler becomes a document in the drive - also not sure of the current state of his work.

On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 10:58:20 AM UTC-7, Felix Küppers wrote:

Hi Andrew,

because you asked for alternatives:

other options for hosting a site include:

• google drive: https://community.articulate.com/articles/how-to-share-your-e-learning-course-for-free-with-google-drive

• github project pages: https://pages.github.com/ (e.g. tiddlymap is served like that).
  

-Felix

On 16.06.2015 17:58, Andrew Sanchez wrote:

Hello all,

I'm a new TW user and was wondering about the current state of Tiddly Spot.  I am a bit confused because the last post on Tiddly Spot's blogspot was from 2013, so I wasn't sure if it is still active or a viable/safe option for using TW.  Are there any other options for using TW in the cloud, so to speak?

Thank you!  I am very much looking forward to digging into all the cool stuff that is possible.  

Andrew

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[Jeremy Ruston]

• I think Jeremy once worked on a dropbox solution that synchronizes, not sure what the current state is though.

Back in 2011 I did some work with the Dropbox JS API. One result was "TiddlyWiki in the Sky for Dropbox"; a way to get TiddlySpot-like functionality with Dropbox. It lets you navigate to a TW Classic file in your Dropbox, and edit it directly in the browser. It doesn't yet work with TW5:

http://dropbox.tiddlywiki.com

I also did some preliminary experiments with syncing individual tiddlers to Dropbox via the same API, but I didn't complete that work.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

 

 

• Danielo also worked on a way to sync files with Google drive where each tiddler becomes a document in the drive - also not sure of the current state of his work.

On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 10:58:20 AM UTC-7, Felix Küppers wrote:

Hi Andrew,

because you asked for alternatives:

other options for hosting a site include:

• google drive: https://community.articulate.com/articles/how-to-share-your-e-learning-course-for-free-with-google-drive?page=9#comment-23554

• github project pages: https://pages.github.com/ (e.g. tiddlymap is served like that).
  

-Felix

On 16.06.2015 17:58, Andrew Sanchez wrote:

Hello all,

I'm a new TW user and was wondering about the current state of Tiddly Spot.  I am a bit confused because the last post on Tiddly Spot's blogspot was from 2013, so I wasn't sure if it is still active or a viable/safe option for using TW.  Are there any other options for using TW in the cloud, so to speak?

Thank you!  I am very much looking forward to digging into all the cool stuff that is possible.  

Andrew

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[Sylvain Naudin]

Le mardi 16 juin 2015 19:58:20 UTC+2, Felix Küppers a écrit :

• github project pages: https://pages.github.com/ (e.g. tiddlymap is served like that).
  

-Felix

Hi,
I already know about GitHub option but don't have yet time to test it. I just do, and work great ! For example http://silvyn.github.io/n0d1/
Thanks Felix to mention it :)

For TWCamp, I've use php script (to save like TiddlySpot). Andrew if you have a place online to store php file and your tiddlywiki, it's another option.
(even the script is quite old, still works).

Sylvain
 

[Mat]

@Andrew

 

I am all for using Tiddlyspot, but it doesn't seem like it's working the way I expect it to.  When I create an account, selecting the "standard flavour," it looks nothing like the "flavour" on tiddlywiki.com.

I also tried to import my TW to Tiddlyspot, hoping that it would replace the flavour that I had after creating an account, and nothing seemed to happen.  Perhaps I didn't follow the instructions properly...

This is one thing I hope the Bairds will deal with (or someone else); There is currently no TW5 on tiddlyspot but you can upload one. Uploading it must the FIRST time be done using some other browser than FF though, eg Chrome. So what you do is:

1) Register a tiddlyspot using any browser

2) In e.g chrome, go to http://tiddlywiki.com/empty#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fui%2FControlPanel%2FSaving

and fill in the new name and password and upload

Done. After step 1 you don't even have to visit the new spot from the presented link. I just leave this tab open and when I'm done with step two I go back to this tab to click the link. 

And, I have step two as a permanent bookmark in my chrome so it is super easy to go to. (It is really just one of the tabs in the Controlpanel)

<:-)

[Andrew Sanchez]

Hi Sylvain,

Your site for TiddlyWiki Camp is gorgeous!

I'm interested in hearing more about how you use a php script.  I'm not familiar with php but I supposed I can store a php file on github or google drive.

[Andrew Sanchez]

Wow!  That was a ridiculously easy and effective solution.  Thank you!  Problem solved :D

and I see there was a tiddler on TiddlyWiki.com with these instructions.  Thanks for pointing that out, Birthe.

I don't think I quite follow your last sentence, Mat...

You said:

After step 1 you don't even have to visit the new spot from the presented link. I just leave this tab open and when I'm done with step two I go back to this tab to click the link. 

And, I have step two as a permanent bookmark in my chrome so it is super easy to go to. (It is really just one of the tabs in the Controlpanel)

When you say I don't have to visit the new spot, do you mean that I don't need to go to my site at username.tiddlyspot.com?  and what tab are you talking about leaving open?  Are you talking about this tiddler: http://tiddlywiki.com/empty#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fui%2FControlPanel%2FSaving

What link are you talking about clicking on after going back to the tab?  Why would you make http://tiddlywiki.com/empty#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fui%2FControlPanel%2FSaving a bookmark?  Once you do step 2, why would you have to go back to core/ui/controlpanel/saving shadow tiddler?  Isn't it set from then on, after you enter your user name and password?  

Thanks for clarifying and my apologies for my slow understanding.

Andrew

[Sylvain Naudin]

Hello,

Le mercredi 17 juin 2015 07:00:38 UTC+2, Andrew Sanchez a écrit :

Hi Sylvain,

Your site for TiddlyWiki Camp is gorgeous!

Thanks :)
 

I'm interested in hearing more about how you use a php script.  I'm not familiar with php but I supposed I can store a php file on github or google drive.

Hum, I don't think so (because you have to execute the php file), I use it with my PirateBox (& LibraryBox) which have PHP and on my webserver.

Have a look to http://tiddlywiki.com/#Saving%20on%20a%20PHP%20Server
 
Have a good day,
Sylvain

[Atul Grover]

Hello All

The php-server script "store.php" takes a few minutes!!! to save the TW5 on the server. The store.php (although old) still works. Every save makes a backup of the last wiki and saves the latest as index.html.

I would (one day) want to host my own Tiddly-Spot type service to run my education service (as TW5 approaches federation).

Regards
Atul

[Felix Küppers]

> Your site for TiddlyWiki Camp is gorgeous!

I agree!

> I'm interested in hearing more about how you use a php script. I'm
> not familiar with php but I supposed I can store a php file on github
> or google drive.

No, in this case you would need a webserver and a webspace.

-Felix

[Alex Hough]

Another thing about the TiddlyCamp site, the description of TiddlyWiki is nicely concise. 

'collect and structure information and put it in perspective'

Alex

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[Felix Küppers]

> Back in 2011 I did some work with the Dropbox JS API. One result was
> "TiddlyWiki in the Sky for Dropbox";

Yes this is what I was talking about! Thanks for providing a bit of
explanation :)

[Mat]

@Andrew

First let me say that the unclear parts in my post that you ask about are really details only worth bothering with if you create new tiddlyspots rather frequently. Otherwise, don't bother. So FWIW;

When you say I don't have to visit the new spot, do you mean that I don't need to go to my site at username.tiddlyspot.com?  and what tab are you talking about leaving open?  Are you talking about this tiddler: http://tiddlywiki.com/empty#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fui%2FControlPanel%2FSaving

Yeah, I mean that when you're on www.tiddlyspot.com and register a new spot, the site shows a link "youve successfully createc <name>.tiddlyspot.com". I don't click on that link at this stage. Instead I open a new browser tab, in Chrome, at that other link for uploading tw5 to the created spot (and wait a few secs for upload to finish). Only then do I go back to the tiddlyspot site and click the link, to get to my new spot!

 

What link are you talking about clicking on after going back to the tab?  Why would you make http://tiddlywiki.com/empty#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fui%2FControlPanel%2FSaving a bookmark?  Once you do step 2, why would you have to go back to core/ui/controlpanel/saving shadow tiddler?  Isn't it set from then on, after you enter your user name and password?  

In deed poorly explained and filled with assumptions; what I'm referring to is that I use it so much/often that I've set up a permanent bookmark for this particular tiddler (to use as descrbed above). This way I won't have to surf to tiddlywiki.com/empty, click Ctrlpanel, click tab Saving.

<:-)