Do you find that TiddlyWiki is faster in Chromium than Firefox?

[si]

I recently tried out my wiki in Brave (Chromium based) rather than Firefox and noticed that it was a little snappier.

Saving tiddlers is measurably faster and there is a lot less lag when using edit-text boxes (in my case the side-editor plug-in).

Is it generally the case that TW runs a little better in Chrome than Firefox or is my experience just the result of the idiosyncrasies of my particular system?

Note: I'm using Windows10 and Timimi to save for both browsers.

[TW Tones]

Hi

I use chrome and firefox on windows 10 and often timimi. I've not used brave but I do not see much difference.

I did however increase the ram that the two browsers can make use of since I use them more than any app.

Regards
Tony

[Mark S.]

People often feel that a new browser they're just trying is faster than an old one. But they rarely test it under the same conditions -- same extensions, same number of active tabs open, same amount of time with the browser opened. In particular, a browse that has just been opened will usually run faster than the same browser that's been running all day.

In the case of firefox, FF will gradually eat up almost all of the available ram, slowing the system and stalling web pages. Eventually I have to close out FF so that the system can get its RAM back. But I think Chrome/ium will do the same thing -- I just don't use Chrome that much.

[Diego Mesa]

On my mac, I have consistently noticed its faster on Chrome than on firefox. the only reason I ever keep chrome open now a days is for TW.

[Birthe C]

Quite some time ago firefox got really slow and I changed to chromium as my main browser for a long time. It worked well and was faster. When I heard that later versions of Firefox got better, I changed again.Now I do not feel the same big difference any more. The small difference I still feel, I have really thought was due to the same factors as Mark explains so well.

And oh, yea to Firefox gradually eating up ram. Always with a lot of tiddlywikis in work, late a night when you really have to get saved and go to bed.....GRRRR. LOL

Birthe

[TiddlyTweeter]

Mark S. wrote:

In the case of firefox, FF will gradually eat up almost all of the available ram, slowing the system and stalling web pages. Eventually I have to close out FF so that the system can get its RAM back.

Birthe C wrote:

And oh, yea to Firefox gradually eating up ram. 

My experience too. I don't get that issue on chrome/chromium/edge chromium.

On the other hand FF is neater on flexibility. I prefer it. I routinely close and restart FF every other day as price of using it. 

Performance on both is similar for me until FF goes into "memory hog mode".

TT

 

[TW Tones]

Mark et al.

I do not wish to be a contrarian, but this does not happen for me with firefox. On my 16GB laptop I learned that Firefox and chrome restrict the ram they use (from memory to 2GB each) perhaps to address complaints like yours, I started getting performance problems because I use mostly browsers and mostly tiddlywiki, I decided to change this limit - in fact with some fiddling I gave them both 4GB headroom. I had forgotten I had done this, but now I only accrue a little performance slow down after days of operation and and no restart.

I also 

• use a plugin for both browsers called One Tab, to close tabs (that are not mine) and save them as links, otherwise I "pin" my main tabs.
• open multiple chrome windows from application shortcuts.
• I use Timimi a lot, I suspect it uses browser memory but no matching server memory (As with TiddlyServer and Bob)

The majority of performance issues I see are in wiki design and usage related in larger wikis, helped by reducing open tiddlers or hiding the sidebar.

Regards

Tony

[Birthe C]

TW Tones,

Reading this about the necessary amount of ram, I am really wondering, why I do not have more problems using my laptops. One with 4 gb ram and the other with 8gb. Looking at the amount of tabs with tiddlywikis and knowing how big they are...just in front of me. it runs totally okay for days. Around the time I have to restart the computer due to some system update any way.

I am running Linux now, but when i buy a new laptop, they normally are installed with Windows 10 Pro. I want to compare and install linux dual boot. That normally do not last for long. I would need more ram to enjoy that.

I think I should be glad that most of the stuff I do on my computer is tiddlywiki

Birthe

[TW Tones]

Birthe,

I agree that tiddlywiki is a very good way to work. 

• It includes a paradigm shift to custom apps in the universal client, the browser. 
• I build my own apps in tiddlywiki or leverage the communities ideas.
• The best feature is evolving ones apps as ones needs evolve
• Ultimately the Operating system can be somewhat irrelevant, perhaps even the browser so it is totally transferable
• We can leverage the focus on the browser and for example there wide range of addons/extensions

On actually buying computers I have a purchasing strategy that seems to work, I buy the N-1 to N-2 Generation of the most powerful I can find, possibly transferring a pre-owned SSD and or additional RAM. They are cheaper than the leading edge, but more than the cheapest, but they have a much longer life span on my desk saving cost in the long run. Such computers are only there for a short time, and you often can get them when in clearance mode.

Regards

Tony

[Mark S.]

On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 4:22:43 PM UTC-7, TW Tones wrote:

I do not wish to be a contrarian, but this does not happen for me with firefox. On my 16GB laptop I learned that Firefox and

Not all of us have 16gb. On my system, both Linux and Windows 7, firefox tries to expand to take up almost all of the memory. This chokes the entire system eventually.

[h0p3]

I use a browser exclusively for my wiki. Chromium is the best I've tried thus far. In part, I use a lot of extensions just for the wiki-browser, and I get to benefit from a larger ecosystem in Chromium. As much as I appreciate FF, I dislike having to blow gargantuan amounts of resources on it (there is only so much hardware I can throw at that hungry beast) as my primary web driver, and, unfortunately, I've been burned enough times by its bugs that I prefer not to trust it to my wiki process (maybe that will change). 

[Mark S.]

I like the idea of using just one browser, rather than having to remember to use X with browser A, and Y with browser B

In that regard, there may be an additional concern re Chromium on Linux.

I've been using chromium on and off ever since this post came out. On Linux, your Chromium version is connected to your distribution update. Currently, on Xubuntu 18.04, the Chromium in the distribution is at 83.0.4, which is several weeks behind and per wikipedia is now discontinued. I suppose I could install Chromium by hand instead of through the distribution, but this is usually a lot of hassle.

By contrast, Firefox on Linux rather aggressively interrupts everything you are doing to demand that you update the browser -- it doesn't wait for you to update the distribution package. This is actually a complaint of mine about FF on Linux -- it will literally make you throw away work when it wants to update! But it does keep your browser up-to-date.

On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 6:03:42 AM UTC-7, si wrote:

[Birthe C]

Mark S,

Linux Mint users have the "joy" of the discussion around Snap, when it comes to install of chromium (Blocked). Sure lots of workarounds, but still.

Work in Firefox until late at night, when you are more than tired, sure you will get the throw away work update. Sure I am complaining also.

Birthe

[Mark S.]

On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 11:08:39 AM UTC-7, Birthe C wrote:

Mark S,

Linux Mint users have the "joy" of the discussion around Snap, when it comes to install of chromium (Blocked). Sure lots of workarounds, but still.

Work in Firefox until late at night, when you are more than tired, sure you will get the throw away work update. Sure I am complaining also.

Birthe

Chromium is blocked on Mint? The people at Chromium haven't made installation easy for Linux -- there's no simple way to grab the latest and download, AFAIK. But on Ubuntu it's part of the distribution.

BTW, I did find a solution for preventing those FF auto-updates, if you're interested. It's just a bit of a hassle turning them on and off.

Mark

[Birthe C]

Mark S,

Sure Chromium is part of ubuntu distribution. Trying to install from package manager will find an empty deb file and automatically install a snap package. That is what has been blocked in Mint.

I did manage to get Chromium from some other repo...(yeah I know- be careful). I do not use it much, really most often for uploading to tiddlyspot ;-)

For a long time now Firefox has been my main browser, so I am very interested in a solution.

Birthe

[Mark S.]

I used this:

https://winaero.com/blog/disable-updates-firefox-63-above/

You have to scroll down to the section "Alterivate Solution" (sic) It shows you how make a FF profile file. On my system you have to install it here:

/usr/lib/firefox/distribution

But it might be somewhere else on your system. You have to do this in sudo (or at least I did). Then restart your browser.

HTH

[Birthe C]

Thank you very much Mark.

I'll do it when I have had some sleep, best have both eyes open, doing stuff like that ;-)

Birthe

[Sebastian Theilhaber]

Seems to be my experience too.