Announcing Tiddlyhost.com

[Simon Baird]

(Via http://tiddlyspot.blogspot.com/2021/02/announcing-tiddlyhostcom.html )

Tiddlyhost.com is the successor to Tiddlyspot.com. I've been working hard on it since early January and I'm really happy with the progress. It's pretty new, and still in development, but I feel like it's ready for some kind of launch.

Unlike Tiddlyspot, Tiddlyhost:

* Is secure

* Has a password recovery mechanism

* Supports TiddlyWiki5

* Is fully open source

* Let's you share and discover TiddlyWiki sites

If that sounds good, please sign up at https://tiddlyhost.com/ and give it a try.

If you have suggestions or experience problems, please file an issue [1]. See also the code [2] and the FAQ [3].

[1] https://github.com/simonbaird/tiddlyhost/issues

[2] https://github.com/simonbaird/tiddlyhost/

[3] https://github.com/simonbaird/tiddlyhost/wiki/FAQ

-Simon

Ps, a few notes:

* As mentioned, Tiddlyhost is new and in development. I can't guarantee there won't be problems. It would be wise to download your site once in a while just in case something goes terribly wrong and your data gets lost.
* Please be nice. For example don't upload your entire photo collection, or generate a ton of spammy content.

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[David Gifford]

Nice! I have my own website, so I don't need hosting, but I wanted to check it out. I like the hub idea. Nice way to see what others do, if they are willing to share. Blessings!

[David Gifford]

I added my current simple productivity set up at https://testingoutth.tiddlyhost.com/. If you like it, grab stuff as desired.

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Hi Simon,

 Thanks for tiddlyhost.com I am sure it will have many users. Small suggestion

1. It is good to use namespace per user (very important in my opinion)

2. Worth to show the quota per user (One can understand how much disk space he/she has used)

3. To encourage being a nice user you can dedicate 250 MB per user and ask for some fee above that quota

4. To keep tiddlyhost live and use a better hosting (dreamhost seems slow) you may add a premium subscription let interested users and fans to pay for subscription. This can be a small help to pay hosting and maintenance costs

Best wishes

Mohammad

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[Ste]

Thank you for this Simon! 

I've put up my tinkering wiki formally of tiddlyspot. So not precious of it all breaks while your developing :)

Just say how much tiddlyspot was appreciated! 

Stephen

[Pedro]

Awesome! Thank you for sharing.

Is it "fully open source" in the sense that we can self host it?

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PhD candidate in Computer Science
Institute of Computing - University of Campinas

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[Pit.W.]

whhooops, that was quick and easy.

Great!

Thanks a lot!

Pit

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[scot]

Simon, thanks very much for providing this great tool.

I'm sorry but I failed to create a TW on my site and save it successfully.

Tried saving on Firefox and Chrome browser. Downloaded it, no saved changes.

It's been a while since I used Tiddlyspot Saver could be something simple that I'm doing wrong.

Can anyone offer any help please.

Scot

[Ste]

Hi scot 

Tiddlyspot no longer works due to action by Simon's hosting company a few months ago. You cna download your stuff but that's all. This is about the new shiny glorious successor to tiddlyspot called tiddly host. Try the link in the original posts. 

I set up an account.. Found my old tiddlyspot, downloaded it then imported it from the new tiddly host. 

Works without a hitch. 

Stephen 

[scot]

Hi Stephen,

I managed to create an account on Tiddlyhost.com which produced a new empty TW.

My problem was that I could not save any changes to it. When I added new tiddlers, they didn't show on the downloaded TW.

I tried to upload an existing wiki using Tiddlyspot Saver details:

Wiki Name: twfile.tiddlyhost.com

password: tiddlyhost new site password

Server URL:https://mysite.tiddlyhost.com

Upload Filename: index.html

File didn't upload.

I also tried just using the save button on TW , which didn't saved the file

Scot

[Ovy Ortega]

Looks great, how does one upload an already existing TW. i just got really tired of github’s saving unreliability. 

On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 5:48:21 PM UTC-6 SimonBaird wrote:

[Simon Baird]

You can, but it's not well (or at all) documented. If you just want to run it locally, it's fairly simple. Just follow the steps in the readme. If you want to host it somewhere so others can see it then it's a little harder.

See also https://github.com/simonbaird/tiddlyhost/wiki/FAQ#can-i-create-my-own-version-of-tiddlyhost and https://github.com/simonbaird/tiddlyhost/issues/23 .

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[Simon Baird]

Here's the general step by step:

* (Assuming you're signed up and logged in.)

* Create a site

* Click on the name of the site and you should see a new empty TiddlyWiki in a new tab

* Click the save button and look for the save confirmation

Can you walk me through what you did and what happened?

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[Simon Baird]

I don't know actually, but I expect it's possible. I'm still learning how to do things with TW5.

I created https://github.com/simonbaird/tiddlyhost/issues/55

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[scot]

@Simon

I have tried to setup another wiki on tiddlyhost, but with no success.

On creating a new site, the TW loads and I can create new tiddlers but when I save the wiki, I get the "Starting to sve wiki" message.

I do not get a confirmation message stating the wiki has been saved?

I can drag existing wiki's to the site and they load, but again do not save.

Firefox browser version 85.0.2

My questions :

do other users use the created wiki or an existing wiki when they tested tiddlyhost.

what browser are they using?

are they saving by pressing the save button alone, or are they using another configuration in control panel.

why does the tiddlyhost create a wiki using 5.1.24-prerelease ?

Scot

[ludwa6]

Terrific news, @Simon: fulfilling such an important need (yet again) -thanks, mate!

And thanks to you, @Dave Giffford, for sharing your Simple Productivity Setup . Following your kind invitation, i have exported your tiddlers and imported them into my own new TH wiki, to see how easily i can adapt it to my own GTD workflow.  One question though, about plugins: i installed all those plugins on your list, only i was unclear whether you installed the entire Stroll theme, or just the Backlinks feature (which i also find indispensible)... And if the latter, then where do i find that one? (i've got a full Stroll instance installed locally, but it doesn't have a plugin called "Backlinks, so)...?

[springer]

Hooray, this is GREAT news!  I'm just reporting that it's working seamlessly and responsively for me so far!

-Springer

[Sapphireslinger]

I too would like to know if it is possible to upload an existing Tiddlywiki to Tiddlyhost, because for me creating is hard enough without having to log in first >_<

I would like to work on my blog privately in my own computer or phone and only after this important work is done, face the mental hurdle of logging in to push the updated blog to Tiddlyhost.

Also tweaking a copy of something in my computer or phone before pushing an acceptable update to the net doesn't make me feel like I'm going to irrevocably break my blog if I try to experiment with anything.

I have signed up to Tiddlyhost (private for now) but could not see any button for uploading a Tiddlywiki.

I only saw "Site: sapphireslinger.tiddlyhost.com" "Access: Private" "Views: 0" "Settings" "Delete"

How do I upload?

[strikke...@gmail.com]

It is not possible to upload. I am sure we will be told, if that changes.

[Mohammad Rahmani]

How to host / upload a Tiddlywiki (e.g from old tiddlyspot or GitHub or your local drive)

Create a new wiki on tiddlyhost

Open it

drag and drop your current TW over newly created one

(you need to have it saved on your machine first to be able drag and drop)

That is it!

Best wishes

Mohammad

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[Sapphireslinger]

Mohammad,

Wow! That is awesomely simple! Thank you!

Reminds me of the time I asked how to delete the old version of a plugin before updating it and was told just to drag in the updated plugin and it would overwrite the old. (facepalm) Amazing!

I didn't realize one could do entire Tiddlywikis that way.

SimonBaird,

Thank you for creating Tiddlyhost!

[PMario]

On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 2:01:53 PM UTC+1 Sapphireslinger wrote:

 

SimonBaird,

Thank you for creating Tiddlyhost!

+1

-m

[Eskha]

Hello Simon,

Thank you for creating Tiddlyhost.

It seems that the plugin library does not work: when selecting  "Get more plugins" then " open plugin library" all the tabs are displaying (0) elements.

Best regards,

Eskha

[strikke...@gmail.com]

Eskha,

If you look athttps://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/empty.html You will also find the plgin library empty.

Birthe

[Eskha]

That make sense.

Is there any way to use the released 5.1.23 version instead of the prerelease one?

Eskha

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Eskha,

 To have a working plugin library in prerelease see the instruction in TW-Scripts

https://kookma.github.io/TW-Scripts/#Plugins%20Library%20Prerelease

Best wishes

Mohammad

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[Mohammad Rahmani]

Eskha,

to correct my previous post

 Please open the tiddlywiki.com and not https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/ then 

drag and drop  https://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Fconfig%2FOfficialPluginLibrary

into your Tiddlywiki (prerelease)

In the TW-Script (it uses $:/config/OfficialPluginLibrary from prerelease which is empty!)

Best wishes

Mohammad

[Eric Shulman]

On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 7:58:34 AM UTC-8 Eskha wrote:

Is there any way to use the released 5.1.23 version instead of the prerelease one?

1) Locate and edit this shadow tiddler: $:/config/OfficialPluginLibrary

2) Change the value in the URL field to: https://tiddlywiki.com/library/v5.1.23/index.html

enjoy,

-e

[Mohammad Rahmani]

thumb up

+10

enjoy,

-e

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[jtech108]

Hello all,

Late to the party....but as they say "better late than never."

Finally got around to upload my old site: https://jtech-tw5.tiddlyhost.com/.

Thanks Simon for TiddlyHost and Mohammad for the upload instructions!

Best regards to all.

Julio

[Eskha]

Thank you Mohammad and Eric for your answer,

I used Eric solution which works fine for me.

For new comers on Tiddlyhost, I think this may be an issue.

Best regards,

Eskha

[OOC]

Ive jumped ship from github, tiddlyhost saves fast and perfectly. A wonderful thing. 

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[Simon Baird]

There is an "upload" option now FYI. Find it in the "Action" menu for your site.

You should be able to use it to upload a local TiddlyWiki file to your site, but for best success you should use a 5.1.14 prerelease version of TiddlyWiki since there's something in there that Tiddlyhost needs.

 

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[Simon Baird]

I think so, but let me test it and write up an FAQ about it.

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[Simon Baird]

I've pushed a workaround for this, so now all sites should be able to access the 5.1.23 plugin list.

Thanks Eric!

FYI, there is a reason why I picked a prerelease TiddlyWiki version for Tiddlyhost. It's because I wanted a version with https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/5455 included. My thinking was that as soon as there's an official 5.1.24 I'll stop using a prerelease, and I didn't know about the plugin library stuff.

I could create an empty that is just 5.1.13 with that one patch cherry-picked and use that as the default for new sites, or maybe even find a way to inject that behaviour tweak as a plugin on top of a standard 5.1.13 TiddlyWiki. Would that be worthwhile do you think, or is it fine to just stick with the prerelease? I could perhaps make both options available, but then I'd still need to decide on the default.

Related questions: Is a 5.1.24 release coming soon, or might it be a while? Are prerelease versions generally considered stable enough for daily use, or is it better to stick with a presumably more stable official release?

-Simon

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[Simon Baird]

See https://github.com/simonbaird/tiddlyhost/wiki/Using-a-5.1.23-or-earlier-version-of-TiddlyWiki

This procedure works for uploading (mostly) any TiddlyWiki file to a Tiddlyhost site.

(Available via the FAQ at https://github.com/simonbaird/tiddlyhost/wiki/FAQ ).

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[scot]

Hi Simon,

thanks for your instructions.

I still have a problem with tiddlyhost.

When I try to upload an existing tw, I get this error

Secure Connection Failed

An error occurred during a connection to tiddlyhost.com. PR_CONNECT_RESET_ERROR

    The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity of the received data could not be verified.
    Please contact the website owners to inform them of this problem.

Any suggestions to rectify this problem?

Scot

[Simon Baird]

That might be a temporary glitch. Does it happen every time? Are you following the steps from that FAQ when you upload?

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[scot]

Simon,

I was following your instructions /FAQ

Using a 5.1.23 or earlier version of TiddlyWiki

https://github.com/simonbaird/tiddlyhost/wiki/Using-a-5.1.23-or-earlier-version-of-TiddlyWiki

I tried to upload a pre-saved wiki to my site, but got the error on a couple of occasions.

i will try again to see if it is a glitch.

I noted your suggestions on wiki name and password fields, maybe this stopped me saving any wikis I previously created on tiddlyhost.

Scot

[scot]

Simon,

tried to upload again, but no success. Same error as last time.

Scot

[Mark S.]

Is there a way to change the logout time? Preferably to something very long. Or, at least provide a notice when you have been logged out?

My scenario. I started working on some complicated changes last night. I continue working this morning. Finally I'm ready to save. But it doesn't save -- instead I get a box that appears to be filled with the raw contents of the TW file itself. So I think I need a fresh TW file. I go over to the dashboard and relaunch the file. Then drag and drop the other changes so it's up-to-date. Save ... but it fails with a message about how I need to be logged in. At this point all I can do is use the emergency export to save my work, since even the download saver is unavailable.

It appears that once you log into TH the clock is ticking, but you don't know you're on the clock or even how long you have.

Thank you!

[Simon Baird]

If you then login (in another tab), then return to the TiddlyWiki and hit save again, it should save. So instead of relaunching the file, you should just return to the existing tab and save again.

I'd like to understand why you get the box with the raw contents. You're supposed to just get a message "..please login and try again", so I wonder why that's not working for you. What's your browser and operating system? Does it happen if you start editing, then immediately log out of Tiddlyhost, then return to the TiddlyWiki tab and try to save the site? One possibility is that the server was restarting just when you tried to save. In that case, just trying again might have worked.

FYI the session should stay alive for 5 hours. You should be able to save, or just hit reload on tiddlyhost.com every few hours or so to keep the session going.

-Simon

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[Mark S.]

Chromium 89.0.4389.82 on Linux (xubuntu).  I did go back to the TiddlyHost panel with my file listings. I reloaded. But I can't say whether it said "Logged In" or "Signed In" because my listings didn't change, and one of them is private. So I just sort of assumed I was still logged in. I would sort of hope that private listings would not be visible if someone is logged out. If it happens again I'll try the relogin thing, and attempt to get a screenshot.

Is there a server cost to allowing people to stay logged in for more than 5 hours? It's probably bad TW hygiene on my part, but I'll sometimes leave tabs up for days.

Thanks!