Links vs Tiddlers

[Victor Dorneanu]

Hi,

since I was not able to find such a thread, I've decided to create a new one. I just want to read your opinions when it's better to just have links (inside a tiddler) and when one should create tiddlers for them (as bookmarks). 

I'll try to describe my current problem. At the moment I use this Bookmarks plugin to organize my bookmarks. Examples:

• List of bookmarks for Tiddlywiki
  
• List of bookmarks for Golang
  

As I discover more sites/resources I'd add them as a bookmark and they'll be automatically listed on those pages. However, doing so will also increase the size of my Tiddlywiki instance. I use nodeJS and call tiddlywiki tw5 --build index to build one single html size which then get's uploaded to AWS S3. 

Now I do know it's better to have single tiddlers for each bookmark since you can tag them, filter them and make them available in different locations (one bookmark could also be listed in multiple categories: e.g. Tiddlywiki and Golang). But I was thinking adding just links to a single tiddler (like this tiddler) might be a better approach. 

What do you think?

Thanks in advance for your input and time.

Cheers,

Victor 

[Darth Mole]

Hello!

I may be misunderstanding/misinterpreting your situation (if so I apologize), but if you go to More > All in the tabs on the right hand side of your TiddlyWiki you'll see, if I'm reading the contents correctly, individual Tiddler's for each of your bookmarks. 

As example:

The first link under the TiddlyWiki How To section can also be found as an individual Tiddler here: https://brainfck.org/#Google Groups Thread on exporting/rendering Tiddlywiki instances

To me the plugin seems to make and organize the individual tiddlers, as bookmarks, for you and then displays them in summary view tiddler's based on your settings.

You can also go to More > Tags and scroll down to the green TiddlyWiki tag and when you click on it you can see all the individual tiddlers that are displayed in the summary bookmark view of the TiddlyWiki page you linked above.

If you are asking if the above approach (an individual tiddler per link with summary pages) is better or worse than a manual page with a bunch of links you update as you find them then I would say, based on consideration for the workflow involved, quality of life interaction/steps, and also the fact that many users here have stated they have massive tiddlywiki's with little performance hit, that I would stick with what you have and not be too concern with the size.

So far the only concern I've noted on here, regarding TiddlyWiki size, is when a Tiddler was renamed and a plugin had to go back and review an index of all the tiddler's to see if it needed to update any of them. But that seemed to be a unique case.

Again, sorry if I misunderstood your question/situation.

DM

[ludwa6]

Hey @Victor: That's a good question- simple, but profound- one that all of us here must answer for ourselves some non-zero number of times most days.

The answer to this for me is a followup Q: What version of my future self (i.e. in what context) do i imagine would find this resource to be most useful?  

If the answer to that Q comes to me easily enough, then tiddler content -description, crossref link(s), tag(s)- then the NoteMaking tends to flow quite naturally.  

If OTOH it does not... Well then i've got yet another note w/ a set of links that i may very likely never bother to click.  Take for example your note on 4-Day Work Week, which links to one canonical definition from Wikipedia, and two articles on the topic that i know nothing about beyond the title, where it was published, and possibly when (date is URL-encoded on one link, but not on the other).  If i'm only interested in the simplest form of NoteTaking -i.e. resource curation, the Librarian role- then maybe that serves the need.  But if i consider these resources important enough to hold a place in my Digital Garden (having presumably read or at least skimmed the articles), then i typically have something more to say about them.

In light of your recent article on Note Taking in 2021 (excellent piece, b/t/w, what really set my own wheels turning, along with a good few others), i don't guess i'm telling you anything new, Victor... But anyway: thanks again for sparking a bit more introspection into this process i too often run, but still don't think critically enough about!

/walt

[Victor Dorneanu]

> If you are asking if the above approach (an individual tiddler per link with summary pages) is better or worse than a manual page with a bunch of links you update as you find them then I would say, based on consideration for the workflow involved, quality of life interaction/steps, and also the fact that many users here have stated they have massive tiddlywiki's with little performance hit, that I would stick with what you have and not be too concern with the size.

That's exactly what I'm asking for. I think it should concern to much about the size.  

> But if i consider these resources important enough to hold a place in my Digital Garden (having presumably read or at least skimmed the articles), then i typically have something more to say about them.

Exactly! I also use to annotate my bookmarks; at least I have a small note there. Just having a link there has no value for me. 

> In light of your recent article on Note Taking in 2021 (excellent piece, b/t/w, what really set my own wheels turning, along with a good few others), i don't guess i'm telling you anything new, Victor... But anyway: thanks again for sparking a bit more introspection into this process i too often run, but still don't think critically enough about!

Thank you very much! I'm planning to add more posts regarding my workflow. 

[John D]

Hi @Victor,

Personally, I create a tiddler for each bookmark. When I have several similar urls to save, for example a list of online IDE, then I create only one tiddler for the list. This way it reduces clutter but still allows me to tag and filter each link.

Here's my wiki : vaforis.github.io

Currently it has over 600 tiddlers and I didn't notice any lags. Each tiddler has a link and a quick description of the url.
I created it a while ago, so this is not very efficient .. if I wanted to redo it, I'd use fields to set the content and use a template to display the content, it would probably shave off quite a bit of space.

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[Darth Mole]

Hi @Télumire,

Can you explain a bit more by what you mean regarding fields? Like do you mean having a form you fill out that then creates a formatted tiddler or something else?

Right now I drag the highlighted url text into my TiddlyWiki for an import, renaming it before I hit import. And then I click on the imported tiddler link and edit it with the proper tag(s) and description/notes/explanation. 

Thanks for your initial idea and hopefully your reply :)

DM