TW5 (or TWederation maybe?) based on P2P websites network ZeroNet.io

[Barter Sympson]

 Hello everyone!

What do you guys think about hosting standalone TiddlyWikis (or even TWederation) on P2P websites network ZeroNet.io?

Here is example of p2p website which works without any servers. You can access to it throught the gateway bit.no.com, but you could do it without any if install zeronet binaries.

In this network you can find:

- forums
- torrent trackers
- games
- videos
- my TiddlyWiki (sorry for Russian Language).

[Mat]

Hi Barter,

Interesting. Apparently based on http://namecoin.info/ - a bitcoin based technology. I've only looked at it briefly but it looks really interesting, particularly the bit about not needing your own server (right?). As you might know, there's a hangout tomorrow where TWederation will be discussed so if you want you can join and show this or perhaps post about it during the hangout.

<:-)

[Barter Sympson]

Yes, the main thing about ZeroNet that websites in it work without any central server, basically everyone can deploy own website with zero infrastructure (hosting and domain) needed. When you visit a new zeronet site, it tries to find peers using the BitTorrent network so it can download the site files (html, css, js...) from them. Each visited site becomes also served/seeded by you.

Here is Github page of the zeronet, and here is documentation and FAQ.

I'm not sure about being able to attend the hangout tomorrow, so if someone mentions about TW in zeronet it would be perfect).

P.S. I'm not zeronet's developer, just its user.

[Tobias Beer]

Hi,

 

When you visit a new zeronet site, it tries to find peers using the BitTorrent network so it can download the site files (html, css, js...) from them. Each visited site becomes also served/seeded by you.

What happens if there are no "peers" seeding those files?
Sounds to me there must be some server-like "peers" hanging about there,

otherwise most all resources would be unavailable half the time.

As a side-note, anything involving bitcoin is highly suspicious to me.

Best wishes,

Tobias. 

[Barter Sympson]

In that case you won't be able to access to these files. It may happen in future when the volume of all content of the network will rise drastically. I think this problem will be solved by that time with something like Storj, Filecoin, or IPFS + Ethereum.

Zeronet uses only cryptography from Bitcoin). Domain names in zeronet is organized via Namecoin, but one can escape registering any and create site with name something like 1EU1tbG9oC1A8jz2ouVwGZyQ5asrNsE4Vr for free.

 For now I host about 60 p2p sites personally, and it takes about 2,5 Gb of my HDD.

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Barter,

 

 For now I host about 60 p2p sites personally, and it takes about 2,5 Gb of my HDD.

Am I right in the assumption that for your p2p sites you have a dedicated machine that kinda like acts as an "always on" peer / seed, i.e. "server"?

Best wishes,

Tobias. 

[Barter Sympson]

 My mistake. I seed the sites not host. Also I am not creator of all this sites, just one of them. And I haven't dedicated machine for that. Instead I got regular notebook which isn't 24/7 working. But the sites are 24/7 accessible because most of them are distributed among more then 10 peers. Each one-time-visitor becomes a peer for visited site by default. Each peer can delete any site manually from his HDD if he don't like to seed it.

Here is a presentation about how this network works.