✅ Questions about the mail archives

[Cd.K]

20800 topics TiddlyWiki Google Group mailarchive 

4200 topics TiddlyWiki Dev Google Group mailarchive

Does anyone know what sizes the mbox files of the archives have? 

Does anyone know how many messages/posts are in the archives?

I find a post in the mail archive. How to display it in google groups? Are there convenient solutions?

Regards

Cd.K

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Cd.K

I have all the tw and twdev group messages archived in my email. The mbox file for the main TW group is 2.15GB and contains 103,320 messages, and the mbox for the TWDev group is 249MB and contains 24,349 messages.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

On 2 Oct 2019, at 19:19, 'Cd.K' via TiddlyWiki <tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

20800 topics TiddlyWiki Google Group mailarchive 

4200 topics TiddlyWiki Dev Google Group mailarchive

Does anyone know what sizes the mbox files of the archives have? 

Does anyone know how many messages/posts are in the archives?

Regards

Cd.K

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[Cd.K]

Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 

...TW group is 2.15GB and contains 103,320 messages, and the mbox for the TWDev group is 249MB and contains 24,349 messages

 

Thank you.

On this scale, it easily fits into the main memory of a computer.

BTW: How do you create your quotes with a vertical stroke in blue

Cd.K wrote

 

I find a post in the mail archive. How to display it in google groups? Are there convenient solutions?

 

 

=> problem 42:

I sit 42 cm in front of the computer and had expanded in the Mail Archive. Then the mail archive loses the link formatting. If I don't expand, I can comfortably open the GG post via a link.

This topic is finished, but I am not offered a close button although I have created the topic. I can close foreign topics partially, but not always.

Can someone explain the logic behind the close?

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Cd.K

Thank you.

On this scale, it easily fits into the main memory of a computer. 

Indeed, or in a GitHub repo.

BTW: How do you create your quotes with a vertical stroke in blue 

I read and respond to the group using my email client (macOS Mail.app).

I sit 42 cm in front of the computer and had expanded in the Mail Archive twice. Then the mail archive loses the link formatting. If I expand only once, I can comfortably open the GG post via a link.

I don’t use the mail archive, are there advantages over the GG web interface?

This topic is finished, but I am not offered a close button although I have created the topic. I can close foreign topics partially, but not always. 

Can someone explain the logic behind the close?

I don’t generally use the GG web interface and so don’t see those buttons.

Best wishes

Jeremy

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Cd.K wrote:

This topic is finished, but I am not offered a close button although I have created the topic. I can close foreign topics partially, but not always.

Can someone explain the logic behind the close?

As far as I understand it the ORIGINATOR of a thread can't "Mark a thread as complete" but anyone else can.

I have NO idea why that is the case. It makes no sense to me.

In any case the flag of "Complete" does nothing. You can still post into the thread.

Just FYI,  Google Groups is notorious for NOT being developed. It may just be a bug no one will ever fix.

Best wishes

TT

[@TiddlyTweeter]

I just marked the thread as "Completed".

TT

[Cd.K]

Hi Jeremy,

Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 

I don’t use the mail archive, are there advantages over the GG web interface?

 

Yes, you can search better in the mail archive. The search there could also be improved, but it is much better than GG's search.

A search with the possibilities offered by TiddlyWiki would be desirable.

Each post a tiddler and a tiddler, which contains all tiddlers of a topic.

Do you have any idea of the search performance of such a TiddlyWiki?

One of my current tasks is to understand the source code of TiddlyWiki. And also how WikIText works as a macro processor programming language.

So I discovered the missing Message Tiddler: your commit: "Add docs for tm-unload-plugin-library message"

 
And I am interested in debug strategies to make the treasures of TiddlyWiki accessible to me.

I have posted this question at StackExchange: Stack Overflow "How to debug a foreign website?"

In this context, I did searches in TiddlyWiki's GitHub repository to navigate in the code. 

Also, the GitHub search is poor and I found this tool:  Zoekt — A fast-trigram based source code search engine

Zoekt's creator Han-Wen Nienhuys said:

Software engineering is more about reading code than writing it, and part of this process is finding the code that you should read.

If you are interested, have a look at this experience report: Going Beyond grep for Searching Source Code — Zoekt

I haven't installed/used it yet because I found out that the firefox debugger offers very fast code navigation: 

• ctrl + p "goto files" (in sources panel)
• ctrl + shift + f "find in files" (in debugger panel)
  

But perhaps Zoekt can be a booster for TiddlyWiki's search in very big TWs.

Regards

Cd.K

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Cd.K wrote

Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 

I don’t use the mail archive, are there advantages over the GG web interface?

 

Yes, you can search better in the mail archive. The search there could also be improved, but it is much better than GG's search. 

Underline that. Its one of the reasons why its mentioned in the online header for this group. 

I suggested it be added yonks ago. JR added it.

Its crude but far less crude than native GG search.

I often wonder if we should spend more time learning and optimising searches of such tools?

How to get the best out of wot-we-got?

My 2 pence

TT

[Cd.K]

@TiddlyTweeter wrote:

 

Underline that. Its one of the reasons why its mentioned in the online header for this group.

...

I suggested it be added yonks ago. JR added it.

 

😂

Your 2 pence is worth a gold coin. The first time I read the online header.

Since GG doesn't save drafts and I've already lost posts twice due to not saving/posting in time, I post and then continue writing/saving the content. Now I know it's deadly for the email users. I'll have to solve that differently in the future. 

Regards

Cd.K