[TW5] TiddlyMap

[Jon]

Hi,

I've been playing around with TiddlyMap which I think is quite fabulous. Are there any updates on it's development?

Just a couple of suggestions:

When deleting a node, the default is to delete the tiddler as well and the 2nd option is just to delete it from the graph. I think it would be better to make the 2nd option the default to avoid accidental deletion.
Would it be possible to use a keyboard shortcut or function key to switch the map into full screen view? It would then be much easier to toggle back and forth after clicking on a node to open the tiddler.

Many thanks,
Jon.

[Felix Küppers]

Hi Jon,
 

I've been playing around with TiddlyMap which I think is quite fabulous.

Thanks!
 

Are there any updates on it's development?

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Just a couple of suggestions:

Preferably ask those questions at github where I can organize them better for development.
 

When deleting a node, the default is to delete the tiddler as well and the 2nd option is just to delete it from the graph. I think it would be better to make the 2nd option the default to avoid accidental deletion.

I thought so too. However, the point is, TiddlyMap can only delete from the view's filter (graph) if it has been added explicitly per "add node" or double click. Otherwise the operation will fail. So I decided to use delete from system as default which always works. I can introduce a checkbox "I know what I am doing" as a compromise that needs to be checked...
 

Would it be possible to use a keyboard shortcut or function key to switch the map into full screen view?

Yes, I can try to do that.
 

It would then be much easier to toggle back and forth after clicking on a node to open the tiddler.

Ah ok so you want the hotkey for the editor on the right. And after clicking a node the fullscreen closes and then you want to go in fullscreen again, right?
 
-Felix

[Jon]

Hi Felix,
 

Ah ok so you want the hotkey for the editor on the right. And after clicking a node the fullscreen closes and then you want to go in fullscreen again, right?

I'm probably not completely familiar with it yet - is there any other way of viewing the map apart from in the right hand window under the search box?

So, from the right hand window you select full screen and then clicking a node returns to the previous view - it would be good to toggle this from the keyboard. Is it also possible to make the Allow/Deny prompt optional or at least control that from the keyboard too?

I'll follow up your other suggestions.

Thanks again,
Jon


 

[Felix Küppers]

Hi Jon

I'm probably not completely familiar with it yet - is there any other way of viewing the map apart from in the right hand window under the search box?

Well, the editor on the right is the default editor. you can also put an editor instance in any of your tiddlers by adding editor="vis" or editor="advanced" to the widget code (see or search online docs of the demo site; docs link is included in the getting started tiddler). Generally you can embed any view you create in any tiddler.

So, from the right hand window you select full screen and then clicking a node returns to the previous view.

Ehm, actually the "view" stays the same, only the fullscreen closes to allow you to navigate to the tiddler (for the term "view" see online docs).

- it would be good to toggle this from the keyboard.

I think I understood you right. You mean to open the editor on the right ("map") in fullscreen when a key combo is pressed.

Is it also possible to make the Allow/Deny prompt optional or at least control that from the keyboard too?

This is browser dependent. I cannot force it. Maybe google it, I think there should be an option somewhere "always allow fullscreen for this site".

I'll follow up your other suggestions.

Thanks :)

-Felix
 

On Sunday, 8 February 2015 11:53:00 UTC, Jon wrote:

Hi,

I've been playing around with TiddlyMap which I think is quite fabulous. Are there any updates on it's development?

Just a couple of suggestions:

When deleting a node, the default is to delete the tiddler as well and the 2nd option is just to delete it from the graph. I think it would be better to make the 2nd option the default to avoid accidental deletion.
Would it be possible to use a keyboard shortcut or function key to switch the map into full screen view? It would then be much easier to toggle back and forth after clicking on a node to open the tiddler.

Many thanks,
Jon.

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[Jon]

Hi Felix
 

Well, the editor on the right is the default editor. you can also put an editor instance in any of your tiddlers by adding editor="vis" or editor="advanced" to the widget code (see or search online docs of the demo site; docs link is included in the getting started tiddler). Generally you can embed any view you create in any tiddler.

That would probably lessen the need for the full screen toggle but for some reason the "Grab widget code", which I can see at the demo site,  is missing from my drop down view menu.

Any ideas?

Thanks
Jon


 

On Sunday, 8 February 2015 11:53:00 UTC, Jon wrote:

[Felix Küppers]

Hi Jon,

On 08.02.2015 17:05, Jon wrote:
> for some reason the "Grab widget code", which I can see at the demo
> site, is missing from my drop down view menu.

Please look in your config which version you are using. The build number
is also important. If you cannot update because the patch version (third
number) is the same, just tell me, I will increment it - or
alternatively you can remove the plugin (Backup first!) by deleting the
plugin tiddler and dragndrop the plugin from the demo site again.

Hope that helps

-Felix

[Jon]

Hi Felix,

I deleted plugins and reinstalled and all working now.

Thanks
Jon

[Jon]

Hi Felix,

Found out how to to get rid of the allow/deny full screen prompt in Firefox. Type "about:config" in address-bar and set "full-screen-api.approval-required" to false.
Much better!

Jon.

On Sunday, 8 February 2015 18:30:33 UTC, Felix Küppers wrote:

[Felix Küppers]

Cool

[Felix Küppers]

Hi Jon

thanks for sharing this.

However, be aware that if you cannot restrict it to a certain set of websites it means all sites can force fullscreen without your prior permission. Still, you can of course always exit with "escape" and I think the risk is quite low.

-Felix

[Jon]

Hi Felix,

I tried registering at GitHub to post this but it said the free personal plan is "chosen" so there didn't appear to be an option to register gratis...?

Anyway, I just wanted to suggest the following. Before TW5, I used to use Freeplane (are you familiar with it?) and one of the features I really appreciated was the ability to have notes contained within the node (their presence would show as an icon) When you hover over the node, the enclosed note pops out in a fixed width box with a scrollbar (and you can also expand this to a window for editing).

This is great because you can dip into a node for the underlying detail whilst maintaining the map view and the relationship between each topic.

I think it would be pretty awesome to be able to do the same with the content of each tiddler popping out like that rather than having to click away from the map.

What do you think? Is it possible?

Thanks, Jon

On Sunday, 8 February 2015 11:53:00 UTC, Jon wrote:

[PMario]

On Monday, February 9, 2015 at 11:28:02 PM UTC+1, Jon wrote:

I tried registering at GitHub to post this but it said the free personal plan is "chosen" so there didn't appear to be an option to register gratis...?

IMO the free plan is gratis. ... You don't need to provide any credit card info, if you register at github.

-m

[Peter Miller]

Agreed. I got a free account last week so I could keep up with TiddlyMap and it was pretty painless.

[Jon]

Ah, misread it. Done now.

Jon

On Sunday, 8 February 2015 11:53:00 UTC, Jon wrote:

[Felix Küppers]

Hi Jon,

I think it would be pretty awesome to be able to do the same with the content of each tiddler popping out like that rather than having to click away from the map.

I understand you don't want to leave the fullscreen map, but the concept of tiddlymap is to use the existing structures of tiddlywiki, i.e. content is not displayed in the map but in the story river and rendered as tiddler. So to view content, you are forced to leave the fullscreen. Otherwise, if you have a large screen, map and content can coexist.

Also, nested nodes are not possible as vis.js doesn't support it. However, you could achieve a similar effect by using the live view. Then when you click a node the clicked node is focussed and neighbours are displayed. You can always jump back to the previous tiddler since it is also a neighbour of the node you selected.

So while I think your idea makes sense, I don't want to create redundant ways of displaying information at the moment. Maybe also another suggestion: You can give a tiddler a description field which is shown as popup when hovering a node (view->global configuration).

But please copy paste your text as a githup issue and I will leave it open so maybe at one point I will pick the idea up.

-Felix

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[Jon]

Hi Felix,

So while I think your idea makes sense, I don't want to create redundant ways of displaying information at the moment. Maybe also another suggestion: You can give a tiddler a description field which is shown as popup when hovering a node (view->global configuration).

So, I used the text field and the tiddler content pops up as a tooltip. All it needs now is for it to be displayed in a box with a scroll bar and job done!

I really do think this will be an enhancement and there is no duplication or redundancy involved.

I'll copy into GitHub for you to look at another time.

Thanks
Jon

[Felix Küppers]

Hi Jon,

this is a smart way to do it and I already tried it myself but I encountered some errors so I deactivated this feature (setting the description field to "text") in the current version right after I wrote you the last message. I need to fix some bugs before I can make this work and it might take some time. Also I need to work on some performance issues then that the tooltip is only loaded when hovered and not beforehand.

So if you add this issue at github, then I will post my updates there.

I really do think this will be an enhancement and there is no duplication or redundancy involved.

On this basis (read only, no content editing, simple html rendered tooltip) I tend to agree.

I'll copy into GitHub for you to look at another time.

Thanks. I think you need to click on "watch" to receive updates on repo changes...


-Felix

[Jon]

Thanks, Felix and I've put it onto GitHub.

You're probably already familiar with FreePlane, but if not, please have a look (also open source)

Best wishes
Jon.

On Sunday, 8 February 2015 11:53:00 UTC, Jon wrote:

[Tobias Beer]

I understand you don't want to leave the fullscreen map, but the concept of tiddlymap is to use the existing structures of tiddlywiki, i.e. content is not displayed in the map but in the story river and rendered as tiddler. So to view content, you are forced to leave the fullscreen. Otherwise, if you have a large screen, map and content can coexist.

I think we may want to explore more flexible "fullscreen modals" that are entirely themeable... no predefined headers or even close buttons. If you ask me... as full-screen as it gets ...no "overlay / backdrop something". So, the preview would essentially overlay the map entirely until you closed it.

Best wishes, Tobias.

[Jon]

Sounds good to me!
Jon

On Tuesday, 10 February 2015 22:54:37 UTC, Tobias Beer wrote:

I understand you don't want to leave the fullscreen map, but the concept of tiddlymap is to use the existing structures of tiddlywiki, i.e. content is not displayed in the map but in the story river and rendered as tiddler. So to view content, you are forced to leave the fullscreen. Otherwise, if you have a large screen, map and content can coexist.