"Remote Transclusion"

[Samir S.]

I would like to know if the ”remote transclusion” function is implemented ?

I’m trying  to (dynamically) embed the content of web pages in a tiddler like what's possible with an image or video (using iframe).

I’ve come across many ”DIY” ways to clip web content and generate tiddler from them but you may have an undocumented way to do this without using a web browser extension etc … :-)

Thank you for your help.

[PMario]

On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 3:53:25 PM UTC+1 Samir S. wrote:

I would like to know if the ”remote transclusion” function is implemented ?

See: https://tiddlywiki.com/#Getting%20Started%20Video - If you open the tiddler, you'll see, how it's done.

 

I’m trying  to (dynamically) embed the content of web pages in a tiddler like what's possible with an image or video (using iframe).

Technically it's possible. ... BUT ethically it may be problematic.

There are 2 terms, which you should have a closer look at:

Hotlinking: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotlinking and

Content Scraping: https://www.cloudflare.com/learning/bots/what-is-content-scraping/

 

I’ve come across many ”DIY” ways to clip web content and generate tiddler from them but you may have an undocumented way to do this without using a web browser extension etc … :-)

There are 2 fundamental problems. ...

1: If you display the whole content within the TW UI it looks like "your" content. Using content in that way will create all sorts of copyright and licensing problems.

2: Technically you are stealing someone elses bandwidth, if you use their servers to display their eg: images 

So ... Be careful!

have fun!

Mario

[Samir S.]

Hi Mario,

Thank you very much for this thorough explanation.

I'm only using remote transclusion to remove the link clic step. For me it's like including a video or image. The content is not altered and of course copyrights are preserved. 

Sincerely.

Samir

[Samir S.]

Mario,

The transclusion target is a video iframe.

I'd like to do the same with a remote webpage and could not find such an example.

Thank you.

On Friday, 5 March 2021 at 19:47:25 UTC+1 PMario wrote:

[PMario]

On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 11:41:47 AM UTC+1 Samir S. wrote:

I'm only using remote transclusion to remove the link clic step. For me it's like including a video or image.

If you include an image at your site, but the image is served form someone elses domain / server, they have to pay the bill. .. That's a problem!

 

The content is not altered and of course copyrights are preserved. 

It doesn't matter, if you alter the content. Copyright doesn't matter, it's the license that matters. You have to make sure, that the author provided the content with a license, that allows you to use it exactly that way. ...

-mario

[Mark S.]

2: Technically you are stealing someone elses bandwidth, if you use their servers to display their eg: images 

But if you're using a TW that only you see (i.e. private), it's the exact same bandwidth as if you had visited the page.

A publicly available TW, of course, is different. 

[TW Tones]

Folks,

What Mario says is very important to keep in mind. Yet it is true that there are other cases where "including" such as "remote transclusion" content has a different licencing or ethical profile.

• The site imbedding the content is a document used by one owner and he/she is aware of the licencing issues
• The site is imbedding your own content stored locally, or from a server you own.
• The content imbedded is from a site that permits this, and usually provides the embed code to do this.
• There may also be some cases where if you acknowledge the source of content and provide sufficient information, even promote the the service you are imbedding content from it may be OK, but this can be hard to be sure you are not breaking copy write.

My argument would be that TiddlyWiki is a platform and we should technically enable "remote transclusion" and provide matching high level legal/ethical guidance to tiddlywiki users/designers - as Mario has done.

Regards

Tones

[Florian Felix]

i don't agree that TW is a platform.
a platform - like facebook -  has an owner.
for example wikipedia is a platform, but mediawiki is not. but of course, it's good to point out copyright issues :)

[TW Tones]

In my view a platform is something on which you can build anything. TiddlyWiki is a software platform. I am the owner always. 

TiddlyWiki can be also made available on many different server platforms, you choose.

Facebook is not a platform although it has its own server platform, we have little or no control how content we place on it looks and appears to others. They give us a network but control its operation to extract advertising revenue. 

Ultimately this is a matter of semantics. But I see mediawiki as a wiki platform you can place on a server platform.  Wikipedia is specific instance on a server platform.

Regards

Tones