Newcomer struggles

[Edoardo Tenani]

Hello TW community!

I'm so pleased to see this project still alive and thriving after so many years I used it for the first time (I guess 8/10 years ago :D)

After many years of linear note taking my bag of knowledge require some polishing. I was looking forward to solutions and found Roam, RemNote and finally TW.

I would like to settle on TW because feels the proper solution for me (extensible, hackable and self-hostable), but I'm struggling to set it up like I would like. I guess most of my issues relates to the variety of the ecosystem. I'm a fullstack web dev so I know my way around nodejs, js and the browser.

But...
I'm trying to setup a wiki, using the nodejs setup, installing some plugins and a theme. I fail to understand where to find some of the TW plugins I want.

For example I'd like to merge TiddlyResearch or Stroll with NoteSelf (mainly the goal is backlinks and references and a remote backend for storage). I was able to install some plugins by cloning their git repo but, for instance, I can't find the code for the mentioned ones. I tried downloading .tid files and placing into the tiddlers/ folder, but I'm not sure is working as expected.

Any hint, suggestion or documentation I can look up to understand how to do that?

Thanks a lot!

Best,
Edoardo

[Edoardo Tenani]

PS: it seems I also can't update labels I would have added the "newbie" one otherwise (I followed instructions here)

[Saq Imtiaz]

Hi Edoardo,

Part of the reason you are having trouble locating the source code repositories for plugins is that a lot of the community contributors are not developers, and do not use Github (or any other form of version control). 

This is further complicated by the fact the traditional form of TiddlyWiki is a single HTML file, and the established way of installing plugins there is by dragging and dropping tiddlers from one wiki to another. 

Note that this does work on the Node.js version of TiddlyWiki as well. I am unsure what specific requirements NoteSelf adds to the process of installing plugins.

Hope this helps,

Saq

[Edoardo Tenani]

Hi Saq,

thank you for the reply!

> Part of the reason you are having trouble locating the source code repositories for plugins is that a lot of the community contributors are not developers, and do not use Github (or any other form of version control). 

> This is further complicated by the fact the traditional form of TiddlyWiki is a single HTML file, and the established way of installing plugins there is by dragging and dropping tiddlers from one wiki to another.

Is there any plan to improve on this side? Plugin discovery and updates seems very manual with lot of potential problems (like version compatibility). Asking mainly because I may help around that area.

> Note that this does work on the Node.js version of TiddlyWiki as well.

That's awesome and I didn't know that. I'll try this out then, seems a perfect starting point :)

Thanks a lot,

Edoardo

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[Saq Imtiaz]

Hi Edoardo,

Is there any plan to improve on this side? Plugin discovery and updates seems very manual with lot of potential problems (like version compatibility). Asking mainly because I may help around that area.

The problem is discussed frequently, but there has never been concensus on how to try to address it. Part of the problem I believe is that this is a relatively small community comprised mostly of non-technical users.

Official TiddlyWiki plugins are available both via the github repository for TiddlyWiki 5 as well as through the Control Panel in single file versions of TiddlyWiki. These plugins are checked for version compatibility etc. Third party plugins however are not included there. Others may have more to add on this front.

Regards,
Saq

[Birthe C]

Edoardo,

You mentioned Noteself. Have you asked on that forum https://forum.noteself.org/ Noteself is rather special, so you might have other needs for that.

Birthe

[TW Tones]

Edoardo,

Welcome back, if you are committing to adopt tiddlywiki and develop it sharing back to the community, I can certainly commit to helping you develop your understanding. I think you reason to settle on tiddlywiki is spot on. First, many plugins are discover-able with a search, there are at least four published plugin libraries, see three (inc code) on my playground https://anthonymuscio.github.io/playground.htm

A few of us are working on making it easier to publish via a library, then people producing one or more plugins could submit there library to an index. The advantage of libraries is they are loaded on demand so updates can be installed, the disadvantage is they are multi-file creatures.

A lot of the resources on tiddlywiki.com in the community section can lead you to a lot of content especially Davids Tiddlywiki toolmap but asking question in the forum (as well as following the links at the top), will get you a long way.

I will investigate publishing my wiki with most plugin I come across.

Regards

Tones

[TW Tones]

Post script,

There are a few developments in the wings that may reduce the complexity and need of documentation through guided interactions with tiddlywiki, watch this space.

Tones