Of joys and woes: After a week in TiddlySpace

[Verrehaal]

Hello people, Pardon the length of this post. I've tried not to ramble. I've spent much of last week trying to figure out TW and TiddlySpace. Now I've got more or less what I want and mean to start using the space for real (I've used up my 'learning' time budget). There are unresolved issues though, which I'd like to list here, in the hope it helps you and me. Thanks to everyone who's been helping out. I had been looking for the right software for ages, and when I chanced on TW it smelt like the holy grail. I love it from the open standards to the nonlinearity. It's genius. Getting to grips with it was harder than I hoped, but you guys really helped out. My 'use case': computer-literate but web-dev-illiterate scientist wants to set up a blog/mind dump to share with colleagues who may occasionally contribute. Prepared to invest some time into setting up; but for the other users everything needs to be as plug-n-play as possible. Where it's at: http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/645/atspace.png You see the neui-em theme with modified params, the QuickEdit toolbar and calendar from TiddlyTools, twmath, and the comments plugin. My main work computer has a 800x480px screen so the interface needs to tango with that; using proportional font sizes etc. Next up: what I'm not happy with yet. This may include stuff I just don't know personally, and more general issues; and it repeats some things from other threads I've started. Importance is given by the number of *. As this is a long list of whining I'd like to assure you that I realise stuff doesn't happen by magic and that I probably misunderstand half of this; I appreciate everyone's efforts! Please see if you can answer any of these, or point at answers or (TS in particular) stuff-in-development: TW in general: *1) Can I have internal (tiddler) links looking different from external ones, Wikipedia-style? *2) What is a 'story'? *3) Can I get the calendar to size better with the MainMenu? (see screenshot) **4) I get the comment box with the line      <div class='comments' macro='comments textRows:1 textCols:3'></div><div class='comments' macro='comments textRows:1 textCols:3'></div> in the ViewTemplate part of NeUIemTheme. I'd prefer to have the comment box in a slider, so that upon opening a tiddler, there would be: * a closed slider if there are 0 comments * an open slider if there are >=1 comments * no slider at all if the tiddler is tagged 'noComments' **5) It's cool to have the tagChooser thing in the edit view. However, I'd like it to only show a set list of tags (which I'd e.g. list in a tiddler). This to quickly choose between, say, 'sports', 'cooking', 'politics' but not 'systemConfig' etc. **6) It would rock to have a 'create SVG tiddler' button which sets server.content-type to image/svg+xml automatically (or a more elaborate version with automated loading to and saving from e.g. SVG Edit) [see http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/edd60994f5c1ec8?hl=en] TiddlySpace specific: ***7) I'd really like a way to automatically keep the collaborators up to date without needing them to browser-login to the space each time. Google tells me that password-authenticated RSS feed systems exist. It would rock if TS had this. **8) Since I want to use this system seriously to store half of my brain, I have to wonder where my data really are. How are they stored? As in: ownership, structure, security? Could they some day just be gone for good? **8bis) Relatedly, how can I make a 'private-friendly' local backup? I think this is critical no matter the guarantees you have for storage on your side. When I save the html file and load it, I can only see the public tiddlers. *9) Username/space issues:   9a> It would be good if people could login with just an openID (if listed as members of the space).   9b> Alternatively, allow subscription to TS without the creation of a space. The most obvious choice of username for my collaborators is something like GivennameSurname, but they may not like for there to be a GivennameSurname.tiddlyspace.com website around.   9c> I was in such a situation myself and deleted that first space (by including deleted), but (1) it's still there (I suppose it'll be purged at some point) and (2) I didn't set up a SiteIcon then, meaning I'm now stuck with the stick figure avatar for my username. It might be good to decouple user profile management a bit more from space management. *10) Undemocratic though it be, I'm not really happy with how all members of the space must have equal rights. It would be nicer if the 'owner' of the space could grant or withold rights. Consider that my other members will likely not invest much time in learning TW and so deletion accidents are a danger; one can think of plenty more unhappy scenarios. *11) Can I change the default 'private'/'public' icons to something else? Thank you for your patience! ~P

[PMario]

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I don't know why, but it seems to be not possible to post something.

[PMario]

Direct reply to autor worked.

I answered most of:
TW in general:

-m

[rakugo]

> **6) It would rock to have a 'create SVG tiddler' button which sets server.content-type to image/svg+xml automatically (or a more elaborate version with automated loading to and saving from e.g. SVG Edit) [seehttp://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/edd609...]

see http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlyweb/browse_thread/thread/a33453cff336629f
fresh out the oven! :)

[rakugo]

> *11) Can I change the default 'private'/'public' icons to something else?

In case pmario didn't answer this - have a look at the tiddlers
privateIcon and publicIcon.

[Måns]

Hi Verrehaal

> You see the neui-em theme with modified params, the QuickEdit toolbar and calendar from TiddlyTools, twmath, and the comments plugin.

Could you please setup QuickEdit plugin in a dedicated TiddlySpace
(just publishing quickeditplugin + dependencies yoolbar etc)... I
can't make it work on TiddlySPace and I don't know why....

> *1) Can I have internal (tiddler) links looking different from external ones, Wikipedia-style?

Try putting this in the StyleSheet tiddler:

#displayArea .tiddler a.externalLink{
text-decoration: none;
color:#002bb8;
padding-right: 1em;
background: transparent url(data:image/
png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAAoAAAAKCAMAAAC67D
+PAAAAFVBMVEVmmcwzmcyZzP8AZswAZv////////9E6giVAAAAB3RSTlP///////
8AGksDRgAAADhJREFUGFcly0ESAEAEA0Ei6/9P3sEcVB8kmrwFyni0bOeyyDpy9JTLEaOhQq7Ongf5FeMhHS/
4AVnsAZubxDVmAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC) 100% 50% no-repeat;
}

#displayArea .tiddler a.externalLink:hover{
text-decoration: underline;
}
#mainMenu a.externalLink{
text-decoration: none;
color:#002bb8;
padding-right: 1em;
background: transparent url(data:image/
png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAAoAAAAKCAMAAAC67D
+PAAAAFVBMVEVmmcwzmcyZzP8AZswAZv////////9E6giVAAAAB3RSTlP///////
8AGksDRgAAADhJREFUGFcly0ESAEAEA0Ei6/9P3sEcVB8kmrwFyni0bOeyyDpy9JTLEaOhQq7Ongf5FeMhHS/
4AVnsAZubxDVmAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC) 100% 50% no-repeat;
}

#MenuLink a.externalLink:hover{
text-decoration: underline;

Cheers Måns Mårtensson

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Måns,

Would you mind posting this to a pastebin? It does not seem to work on
my FF like that... not even when I remove the access linebreaks.

Cheers, Tobias.

[Måns]

Hi Tobias

> Would you mind posting this to a pastebin? It does not seem to work on
> my FF like that... not even when I remove the access linebreaks.

I'm not good at pastebins - have never used one... Here's a dedicated
StyleSheet instead:
http://dapuppy.tiddlyspace.com/#%5B%5BStyleSheet%20with%20MediaWiki%20style%20links%5D%5D

Cheers Måns Mårtensson

[Jeremy Ruston]

I've spent much of last week trying to figure out TW and TiddlySpace. Now I've got more or less what I want and mean to start using the space for real (I've used up my 'learning' time budget). There are unresolved issues though, which I'd like to list here, in the hope it helps you and me.

Terrific, thanks for sharing your experiences.

 

Thanks to everyone who's been helping out. I had been looking for the right software for ages, and when I chanced on TW it smelt like the holy grail. I love it from the open standards to the nonlinearity. It's genius. Getting to grips with it was harder than I hoped, but you guys really helped out.

 

My 'use case': computer-literate but web-dev-illiterate scientist wants to set up a blog/mind dump to share with colleagues who may occasionally contribute. Prepared to invest some time into setting up; but for the other users everything needs to be as plug-n-play as possible.

OK, that's not so far away from what I had in mind when I first created TiddlyWiki - I wanted to be able to maintain a personal public brain dump that was a first class citizen of the blogosphere but didn't constrain me to writing on a chronological ribbon.

 

Where it's at: http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/645/atspace.png

Looking good, modulo some layout issues :)

 

You see the neui-em theme with modified params, the QuickEdit toolbar and calendar from TiddlyTools, twmath, and the comments plugin. My main work computer has a 800x480px screen so the interface needs to tango with that; using proportional font sizes etc. Next up: what I'm not happy with yet. This may include stuff I just don't know personally, and more general issues; and it repeats some things from other threads I've started. Importance is given by the number of *. As this is a long list of whining I'd like to assure you that I realise stuff doesn't happen by magic and that I probably misunderstand half of this; I appreciate everyone's efforts! Please see if you can answer any of these, or point at answers or (TS in particular) stuff-in-development: TW in general: *1) Can I have internal (tiddler) links looking different from external ones, Wikipedia-style?

Yes, that's what is supposed to happen, with both the stock TiddlyWiki and TiddlySpace styles. Tiddly links appear as bold text with a background hover, and ordinary external linkes appear as conventional blue underlined text.

 

*2) What is a 'story'?

It's the stack of opened tiddlers that makes up the display.

 

*3) Can I get the calendar to size better with the MainMenu? (see screenshot)

It looks as though reducing the font size of the calendar might be the way to accomplish that.

 

**4) I get the comment box with the line      <div class='comments' macro='comments textRows:1 textCols:3'></div><div class='comments' macro='comments textRows:1 textCols:3'></div> in the ViewTemplate part of NeUIemTheme. I'd prefer to have the comment box in a slider, so that upon opening a tiddler, there would be: * a closed slider if there are 0 comments * an open slider if there are >=1 comments * no slider at all if the tiddler is tagged 'noComments'

I'll leave this one for someone else as I'm not super familiar with the comment plugin.

 

**5) It's cool to have the tagChooser thing in the edit view. However, I'd like it to only show a set list of tags (which I'd e.g. list in a tiddler). This to quickly choose between, say, 'sports', 'cooking', 'politics' but not 'systemConfig' etc.

I dimly remember Eric Shulman having a plugin that does that.

 

**6) It would rock to have a 'create SVG tiddler' button which sets server.content-type to image/svg+xml automatically (or a more elaborate version with automated loading to and saving from e.g. SVG Edit) [see http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/edd60994f5c1ec8?hl=en]

I believe Jon has answered this one.

 

TiddlySpace specific: ***7) I'd really like a way to automatically keep the collaborators up to date without needing them to browser-login to the space each time. Google tells me that password-authenticated RSS feed systems exist. It would rock if TS had this.

There is already some basic RSS support, and it it is intended to improve it, including feeds of private data.

 

**8) Since I want to use this system seriously to store half of my brain, I have to wonder where my data really are. How are they stored? As in: ownership, structure, security? Could they some day just be gone for good?

You can look inside TiddlyWeb and see how things are stored. Nowadays we tend to use a database for storage, but it is possible to just store everything in static files.

But I think the better mitigation to your concern is for individuals to be able to take control and make their own backups that they can verify for themselves. Not that they *have* to do it themselves, but that they can choose to do so so as to have more calm confidence.

The easy way to make a backup in TiddlySpace is to download a TiddlyWiki file containing your data. For example, navigating to this URL will automatically download a copy of my space:

http://jermolene.tiddlyspace.com/?download=backup.html

**8bis) Relatedly, how can I make a 'private-friendly' local backup? I think this is critical no matter the guarantees you have for storage on your side. When I save the html file and load it, I can only see the public tiddlers.

Here's a variant URL that will just include private tiddlers:

http://jermolene.tiddlyspace.com/bags/jermolene_private/tiddlers.wiki?download=backup.html

 

*9) Username/space issues:   9a> It would be good if people could login with just an openID (if listed as members of the space).

Can they not login with openid already?

 

9b> Alternatively, allow subscription to TS without the creation of a space. The most obvious choice of username for my collaborators is something like GivennameSurname, but they may not like for there to be a GivennameSurname.tiddlyspace.com website around.

Noted.

 

9c> I was in such a situation myself and deleted that first space (by including deleted), but (1) it's still there (I suppose it'll be purged at some point) and (2) I didn't set up a SiteIcon then, meaning I'm now stuck with the stick figure avatar for my username. It might be good to decouple user profile management a bit more from space management.

Right. I don't think the system should let you delete your home space to avoid these situations.

There's been a lot of debate about the way that TiddlySpace conflates users and spaces. It is intended to simplify things by reducing the number of different types of entity that users must encounter.

 

*10) Undemocratic though it be, I'm not really happy with how all members of the space must have equal rights. It would be nicer if the 'owner' of the space could grant or withold rights. Consider that my other members will likely not invest much time in learning TW and so deletion accidents are a danger; one can think of plenty more unhappy scenarios.

The equal rights thing is fundamentally also driven by the needs of simplicity: if we introduced the idea of administrators or owners or privileged people, then those levels and privileges would be stuff that would need to be managed by someone. In my experience, people struggle to maintain that stuff effectively.

Over and over again in TiddlySpace, particularly around security and sharing,  we've elected to go for a much simpler design than conventional systems.

For example, many systems that manage items of information allow you to right click on an item and select an access control list that lets you see who can access that item, and what they can do with it. File shares, sharepoint and exchange, all let people work like that. However, when I've seen how those systems are used in the wild I've found that people almost never use that fine grained control effectively.

So, TiddlySpace proposes a very simple model for sharing:

- co-creation for for small trusted groups through joint space membership

- co-creation for larger, less trusted groups through social connections between spaces

So, if you trust someone, you'd invite them into a shared space to collaborate. If you don't fully trust them, they'd work in their own space, and you'd work in your space, with links and references between them.

 

*11) Can I change the default 'private'/'public' icons to something else?

Yes, you can just create a local image tiddler with the same name.

Cheers

Jeremy

 

Thank you for your patience! ~P

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[Tobias Beer]

Thanks Måns,

There seems to be some difference between copying those rules in
ViewMode vs. in the EditMode.

Cheers, Tobias.

[chris...@gmail.com]

On Oct 12, 4:25 pm, Verrehaal <verreh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> TiddlySpace specific:
> ***7) I'd really like a way to automatically keep the collaborators up to date without needing them to browser-login to the space each time. Google tells me that password-authenticated RSS feed systems exist. It would rock if TS had this.

It is possible to access private content now, but it is not well
supported by all feed readers. If you construct the URL like this:

http://<user>:<password>@<space>.tiddlyspace.com/recipes/<space>_private/tiddlers.atom

However, as I said, not all readers support this, and even those that
do will not necessarily use the information on the first request. The
other thing to keep in mind is that with this construct your username
and password is being stored in the feed reader.

There are plans to allow access to private things via hashed urls.
See: http://tiddlyspace.tiddlyspace.com/#%5B%5BPrivate%20Space%20Feed%5D%5D

> *9) Username/space issues:
>   9a> It would be good if people could login with just an openID (if listed as members of the space).

If I'm understanding what you're after here it's that you want people
to be able to log in _just_ with openid without needing to register
first. Is that correct?

That's not currently supported because the whole point of TiddlySpace
is to provide a platform in which people with a local identity can
participate in multiple spaces and have their own space which is the
starting point of their own discoursive exercises across the breadth
of tiddlyspace.

>   9b> Alternatively, allow subscription to TS without the creation of a space. The most obvious choice of username for my collaborators is something like GivennameSurname, but they may not like for there to be a GivennameSurname.tiddlyspace.com website around.

This has come up a number of times, but see my paragraph just above.

>   9c> I was in such a situation myself and deleted that first space (by including deleted), but (1) it's still there (I suppose it'll be purged at some point) and (2) I didn't set up a SiteIcon then, meaning I'm now stuck with the stick figure avatar for my username. It might be good to decouple user profile management a bit more from space management.

There is currently not _real_ support for deleting spaces. The method
you used is a proposed method for allowing a space to be abandoned but
there is, as yet, no followup cleanup. The discussions surround that
issue tailed off.

Again, having a user associated with a space that is theirs is
intentional. On the web the stuff that says who you are is the content
you create and link to. Therefore you identity in TiddlySpace is your
space, the spaces you are a member of, and the content you create in
those spaces.

> *10) Undemocratic though it be, I'm not really happy with how all members of the space must have equal rights. It would be nicer if the 'owner' of the space could grant or withold rights. Consider that my other members will likely not invest much time in learning TW and so deletion accidents are a danger; one can think of plenty more unhappy scenarios.

I believe Jeremy provided a pretty good answer to this which I mostly
agree with.

The one access control state that I think we may wish to rethink is
"readable by some, writeable by some fewer". Something in between the
current public and private[1].

However, underneath the simple public/private setup that TiddlySpace
provides is the full flexibility of the TiddlyWeb policy system which
can control read, write, create and delete constraints on any bag of
tiddlers with roles and users.

> Thank you for your patience!

Thank you for yours.

[1] TiddlyHoster reifies this as a "protected" concept: Any member of
the entire system can read. See http://hoster.peermore.com/

[Plausible]

Thanks everyone, and pardon the delay. Let's see... (Mario, I'll
answer to your e-mail replies here, if Groups lets me.)

>> *1) Can I have internal (tiddler) links looking different from external ones,
>> Wikipedia-style?

Jeremy:

>Yes, that's what is supposed to happen, with both the stock TiddlyWiki and
>TiddlySpace styles. Tiddly links appear as bold text with a background
>hover, and ordinary external linkes appear as conventional blue underlined
>text.

Right. I somehow failed to fully register this while left-and-right
clicking. May just be newbie-ness. Yet I did add (more or less) what
Måns suggested now, to get Wikipedia-style arrows: seems clearer to
me.

Also, if I wanted to change the background hover, where would I go?

[ Måns, thanks for that. Regarding QuickEdit: I did nothing
extraordinary to get it working. I downloaded the whole TiddlyTools
page and from that local copy imported everything with a
QuickEditPackage tag into my TSpace. Finally I put <div macro='tiddler
QuickEditToolbar'></div> in the EditTemplate part of NeUIemTheme,
right before where it says <div class='box editor' macro='edit text'></
div>. Perhaps the fact that I put it in NeUIemTheme rather than the
EditTemplate tiddler makes a difference? ]

>> *3) Can I get the calendar to size better with the MainMenu?

Mario:
> Yes. If you point to the source of your calendar, we can have a look at the CSS

It's the CalendarPlugin from TiddlyTools. I checked the CSS and
inserted text-align:center; font-size:90%; in the setStylesheet
statement. This makes a good fit for my 800px wide screen. (However on
a wider screen it doesn't fill out the wider MainMenu... why not? It's
90% with respect to what, if not the MainMenu width?)

>> **4) [Making the comment box slide/hideable]
Mario:
> <div class='comments' macro='slider chkComments commentsTiddler "View
> comments »" "Display the comments" '>>
>and a commentsTiddler that contains:
> <<comments textRows:1 testCols:3>>

Unfortunately this creates a single commentsTiddler for all
tiddlers... i.e. every tiddler shows the same sequence of comments :{

>> **5) [Choosing among a pre-set list of tags]
Mario:
>http://tbgtd.tiddlyspot.com/#DeliciousTagging may do what you want.

I couldn't figure out how to configure it. Tried a bunch of other
tagging plugins and now I'm using Tobias's TagSearchPlugin. (Tobias:
this is neat, though making 10 tag tiddlers each itself tagged e.g.
'Topic' is more convoluted than if one could have 1 tiddler 'Topic'
with a list of ten tags in it...I bet I'm overlooking the pros of your
system.)

>> **6) It would rock to have a 'create SVG tiddler' button

rakugo/Jon:
> http://svg-editor.tiddlyspace.com/

Great!... but I find no 'new image button' after I import the space --
in fact I don't see such a button on the space itself either? (The
imported plugin does work otherwise.)

Mario: would it be possible to add a 6th, "new SVG", button to neui-
em's SidebarButtons?

>> ***7) I'd really like a way to automatically keep the collaborators up to date

cdent:

> http://<user>:<password>@<space>.tiddlyspace.com/recipes/<space>_private
> /tiddlers.atom

On Linux I have no luck in either Liferea, Thunderbird, newsbeuter or
yarssr :( Are there any readers which are known to work this way?

In any case I can't force a specific feedreader onto each member; so
keeping my eyes peeled for progress on this one.

>> **8bis) Relatedly, how can I make a 'private-friendly' local backup?

Jeremy:
>http://jermolene.tiddlyspace.com/bags/jermolene_private/tiddlers.wiki...

Hm... but just the private tiddlers makes for a rather broken local
blog copy. Whereas the full html file has only the public tiddlers
accessible offline (as it should be, since anyone can download it).
The solution would seem to be to provide a system where the logged-in
member can download the space whereby the private tiddlers get
(perhaps temporarily, so the distinction remains latent) converted
into public ones?

This is not only relevant from a data backup concern but also
regarding spells of offline work. I'd like for my extended brain to
remain accessible on the road...

> *9) Username/space issues:
Jeremy & cdent:
> [Therefore you identity in TiddlySpace is your space, the spaces you are a
> member of, and the content you create in those spaces.] etc.

Interesting. I may be pre-Web2.0 but I think a bit less user/space
conflation would be good, especially regarding the practical case
mentioned in my OP. It's actually no bother to have one's space 'open'
to any old Google's scrutiny since one can make it 99%-private anyway
(it's just a featureless facade); but the address should be discreet
if so wished.

I was unclear in my OpenID question: what I meant was it'd be easier
for me to invite members by saying "just use your OpenID and you can
check out my TSpace", than to tell them "you have to create your own
space (and hence user) first". It makes little difference practically
but it sounds quite different if you've no clue about TW. How about an
automated e-mail to such a member saying "Hi! We hope you liked your
visit to TS; would you like a space of your own? and perhaps a moniker
different from your OpenID?"

Think of it as being more flexible than Facebook. Your address and
your name can appear unrelated (though friendly clicks will relate
them). And you don't need your own address in town to visit a friend's
place and comment on the wallpaper (the friend must have listed your
ID before you get in, of course).

>> *10) not happy with how all members of the space must have equal rights
cdent:

> The one access control state that I think we may wish to rethink is
> "readable by some, writeable by some fewer". Something in between the
> current public and private[1].

That seems enough. I figure Jeremy's words on simplicity are wise, and
to use the house analogy again: if you trust your friend you'll let
him walk in your house on the assumption he won't break stuff though
he could. Problem is we all know houses but not TWs. I trust my
collaborators but not in matters of not deleting vital tiddlers by
accident (especially given that I hardly trust myself yet with that,
and that they're not that well hidden).

I reckon I haven't had enough of a taste yet of the "co-creation for

larger, less trusted groups through social connections between

spaces" (Jeremy) to fully appreciate that part.

cheers, ~P

[Tobias Beer]

As for TagSearch, I have opened a new thread here:

http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_frm/thread/1d198a9ac2c6f02a

Cheers, Tobias.

[PMario]

On Oct 18, 1:35 am, Plausible <Verreh...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Mario:
> > Yes. If you point to the source of your calendar, we can have a look at the CSS
>
> It's the CalendarPlugin from TiddlyTools. I checked the CSS and
> inserted text-align:center; font-size:90%; in the setStylesheet
> statement. This makes a good fit for my 800px wide screen. (However on
> a wider screen it doesn't fill out the wider MainMenu... why not? It's
> 90% with respect to what, if not the MainMenu width?)

font-size is responsible for the fonts and doesn't change the table
cell sizes.

If you use
.calendar{ width: 100%}
somewhere in your custom StyleSheet it should work.

I did a short test at the main menue
[[topic 1]]
[[topic 2]]
<<calendar thismonth>>
and it looks good.
font-size may be needs some tweaking again.

> >> **4) [Making the comment box slide/hideable]
> Mario:
> > <div class='comments' macro='slider chkComments commentsTiddler "View
> > comments »" "Display the comments" '>>
> >and a commentsTiddler that contains:
> > <<comments textRows:1 testCols:3>>
>
> Unfortunately this creates a single commentsTiddler for all
> tiddlers... i.e. every tiddler shows the same sequence of comments :{

uups. you are right.
!!! If you make a new thread. may be someone has as working solution
allready.
I'd need some more thinking.

> >> **5) [Choosing among a pre-set list of tags]
> Mario:

> >http://tbgtd.tiddlyspot.com/#DeliciousTaggingmay do what you want.

>
> I couldn't figure out how to configure it. Tried a bunch of other
> tagging plugins and now I'm using Tobias's TagSearchPlugin. (Tobias:
> this is neat, though making 10 tag tiddlers each itself tagged e.g.
> 'Topic' is more convoluted than if one could have 1 tiddler 'Topic'
> with a list of ten tags in it...I bet I'm overlooking the pros of your
> system.)

TagSearchPlugin is cool
If you include neui-tagsearch space, neui-em theme can handle it
allready.
ToolbarCommands tiddler needs to be adjusted to your needs.

http://neui-tagsearch.tiddlyspace.com/ is an addon for neui-em.
It contains a toolbar button for tagging.
And a --tagit button below the tags in tiddler CTagBox

If you want to disable this extra button open
CTagBox tiddler and comment its content like so:
/%
{{tagSearch{<<tagsearch label:'-- tagit:'>>}}}
%/

> >> **6) It would rock to have a 'create SVG tiddler' button
> rakugo/Jon:
> >http://svg-editor.tiddlyspace.com/
>
> Great!... but I find no 'new image button' after I import the space --
> in fact I don't see such a button on the space itself either? (The
> imported plugin does work otherwise.)
>
> Mario: would it be possible to add a 6th, "new SVG", button to neui-
> em's SidebarButtons?

New thread please.

Workaround: where YourPrototypeTiddler should contain a valid svg.
<<newTiddler
label:"yourLabel"
tag:"yourTag"
tag:"secondTag"
title:"yourTitle"
fields:"server.content-type:image/svg+xml"
text:{{store.getTiddlerText("YourPrototypeTiddler")}} >>



-mario

[PMario]

On Oct 18, 7:17 pm, PMario <pmari...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Workaround: where YourPrototypeTiddler should contain a valid svg.
> <<newTiddler

snip
>         text:{{store.getTiddlerText("YourPrototypeTiddler")}}  >>

this line needs the following parameter in zzConfig tiddler.

// A temporary hack, to activate evaluated transclusions again
config.evaluateMacroParameters = "full";

-m