How many TW5users worldwide?

[Ed]

Hi Jeremy,

Do you know/have any idea how many users there are worldwide
that have actually downloaded and/or upgrade regularly TW5?
I hope that they are also using it in practice of course!

Cheers! Ed.

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Ed.

Three men and a dog :-)

Some recent stats on GG usage which @Jermolene pointed me to that are a kind of proxy guide: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!aboutgroup/tiddlywiki. Actual figures would be higher as GG only will show actively public users actively fiddling around with it.

Live on the web few TW actually are tracked as it doesn't build in auto-tracking as standard so public TW numbers are not fully known.

I'm note sure if tiddlywiki.com tracks downloads.

Best wishes
Josiah

[Ed]

Ho Josiah,
Thanks for pointing me in that direction.

Ok so Members here: 6387 Hmm... Don't know if its good or bad.
Wished there were much more.

Tschüß, Ed,


Op donderdag 14 december 2017 14:02:57 UTC+1 schreef @TiddlyTweeter:

[PMario]

Hi Ed,

At the time of the posting there are 12.767 users listed on TiddlyFox ectension page. Which may have droped already quite a bit. .. Since it doesn't work with FF57 anymore.

-m

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Ed
 

Ed: ... 6387 Hmm... Don't know if its good or bad.

Wished there were much more.

Right. The actual active numbers are far lower. Most of the 6 thousand are likely dormant.

However, TW has a very resilient, dedicated base of DIY enthusiasts & Developers, albeit small. Its very healthy. But IMO it is seriously under-used.

The larger picture of usage is hard to determine. Mario's quote of 13k FF TiddlyFox users is suggestive. The number of TWs on TiddlySpot http://tiddlyspot.com/ is some thousand (that will overlap with other figures). Then there are TW in the wilds of the web you don't realise are TW. And, likely, an enormous userbase who use it dominantly in local installs only (the vast majority?).

However you add it up its on the low side given what TW does & can do.

TBH 500,000 plus would be more in the ballpark IMO.

Tschüß,
Josiah

[Jeremy Ruston]

How we might count the number of users of TiddlyWiki is an interesting question, and it is often asked. My personal response is that it is impossible to directly track TiddlyWiki usage without compromising it with code and infrastructure that serves no other purpose than usage tracking. I regard the untrackability of TiddlyWiki as a fabulously useful property, and wouldn't change it even if I could.

Of course, there are specific usages of TiddlyWiki that can or could be tracked:

* The Google Groups data that Josiah referenced

* tiddlywiki.com runs Google Analytics (the screenshot below shows a summary of the data for the last year)

* TiddlyFox usage stats (before the apocalypse, I believe it was running at about 40,000 active users)

* Online services like TiddlySpot can in principal include complete tracking/surveillance of all usage

* Published TiddlyWiki HTML files could be discovered and counted with a web crawler

* GitHub provides some stats about the project (eg, we're just under 3,000 stars at the moment)

But I don't think any of those could ever give us really definitive numbers. One of the unexpected consequences of distributing software through open source is that the vast majority of users are invisible: if they don't ask a question, or raise an issue, or otherwise actively interact with the community, then we simply don't see them. I visualise TiddlyWiki as a vast shop (like Ikea) but with the curious property that the happy customers are invisible, and one can only see the ones that are unhappy or want attention. It's weird, but highly efficient.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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[TonyM]

Jeremy,

Your note " that it is impossible to directly track TiddlyWiki usage without compromising it with code and infrastructure that serves no other purpose than usage tracking."  Of course we could provide and opt in/opt out OR voluntary registration processes. It can be amazing sometimes how the community wants to support each other through recognising their usage. 

Regards

Tony

On Friday, 15 December 2017 03:21:07 UTC+11, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

How we might count the number of users of TiddlyWiki is an interesting question, and it is often asked. My personal response is that it is impossible to directly track TiddlyWiki usage without compromising it with code and infrastructure that serves no other purpose than usage tracking. I regard the untrackability of TiddlyWiki as a fabulously useful property, and wouldn't change it even if I could.

Of course, there are specific usages of TiddlyWiki that can or could be tracked:

* The Google Groups data that Josiah referenced

* tiddlywiki.com runs Google Analytics (the screenshot below shows a summary of the data for the last year)

* TiddlyFox usage stats (before the apocalypse, I believe it was running at about 40,000 active users)

* Online services like TiddlySpot can in principal include complete tracking/surveillance of all usage

* Published TiddlyWiki HTML files could be discovered and counted with a web crawler

* GitHub provides some stats about the project (eg, we're just under 3,000 stars at the moment)

But I don't think any of those could ever give us really definitive numbers. One of the unexpected consequences of distributing software through open source is that the vast majority of users are invisible: if they don't ask a question, or raise an issue, or otherwise actively interact with the community, then we simply don't see them. I visualise TiddlyWiki as a vast shop (like Ikea) but with the curious property that the happy customers are invisible, and one can only see the ones that are unhappy or want attention. It's weird, but highly efficient.

Best wishes

Jeremy

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 3:54 PM, PMario <pmar...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Ed,

At the time of the posting there are 12.767 users listed on TiddlyFox ectension page. Which may have droped already quite a bit. .. Since it doesn't work with FF57 anymore.

-m

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Ciao Jeremy

* Published TiddlyWiki HTML files could be discovered and counted with a web crawler.

IMO this would be very valuable to make easier. Meaning that the finds are more easily identified as TW related in some way. NOT for the count per se. But for a useful indication on usage.

Josiah