Dropbox no longer serving HTMTL files?

[Steven Schneider]

Has anyone received this email from Dropbox:

We’re writing to let you know that we’ll be discontinuing the ability to render HTML content in-browser via shared links or Public Folder.

If you're using Dropbox shared links to host HTML files for a website, the content will no longer display in-browser.

Please note that this change will take effect for your account on October 3, 2016, and only impacts how shared files are displayed on the web. Your files will remain safe in Dropbox.

Thanks for being a loyal Dropbox user.

-The Dropbox Team

I have a paid account, pre-2012 with a public folder, so perhaps I'm exempt? But this seems like a problem for those of us who use DropBox to serve TW files. Any alternatives out there that folks are familiar with?

[Mat]

It seems others also got this. In deed a likely problem for TWs hosted there. 

My spontaneous recommendation is TiddlySpot but it seems some also like Neocities. IMO the former is by far the easiest but I'm hoping some "simplification" could be made to set up TW5 on both these sites.Wizard @Danielo is working on stuff for which he recommends CloudAnt. I would guess this can host a TW5 also and in which case people might benefit from the other stuff Danielo is working on for that context (see NoteSelf).

<:-)

[Mark S.]

I don't think Cloudant exposes actual web pages -- just data. If it does, that would add a whole new angle. So, you would still need somewhere to put your TW if you want people to see it.

About Tiddlyspot, I can't help wondering why it hasn't been updated to support TW5 out-of-the-box when it's still cluttered with these old versions of TWC. When I see that kind of lag I assume someone is losing interest. Who is paying for TS, and how long can they afford to keep doing that? The security is very lax, and I'm surprised that sp-ammers haven't discovered it yet.

Have fun!
Mark

[Jeremy Ruston]

I’ve just received the same email from Dropbox, but in my case the retirement date is September 1st 2017. Perhaps paying for Dropbox Pro has bought an unexpected benefit.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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[Danielo Rodríguez]

Couchdb (and by extension cloudant too) is able to serve html documents. This have the advantage that your wiki is being served from the same domain where your data is stored, so CORS restrictions do not apply, and hence security increases (no need to enable CORS).
Noteself can be used as client for any couchdb, including one that is serving it.
Noteself in fact installs a special document (a view) on every DB it connects to. This document is required for requesting skinny tiddlers, so it does 50% of the installation process for any plugin that does not use pouchdb (there is one!).

Maybe I can create a Noteself edition that does the entire installation process, but that would require CORS, at least during the installation.

As I said, Noteself can act as client, with the extra advantage of caching the tiddlers locally,and requesting only the new ones.

Regards

[Ste Wilson]

There are a few Dropbox Apps that allow you to serve files. I use pancake.io. to serve. svg files to my tiddlyspot.
There is also my.droppages.
duet.to which I think you have to pay for.
I think I managed to serve a tiddlywiki from the first two before some helpful soul on the forums pointed me to tuddlyspot.

[Arlen Beiler]

Looks like my date is the same as Jeremy's, as I have Dropbox pro as well. I guess that means I will have to find a place for Twits5-Dropbox. Jeremy, would you be able to host it?

Not that I have the time to do it right now. But maybe sometime yet this winter.

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[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

I'm just a lowly free user at Dropbox, and my HTML-Rendering-Cessation Date is October 3rd, 2016.

I currently only use it to store a few TW's, as I make use of Google Fonts, and until just the past couple of weeks those fonts would not show up when the TW's were 'served' by Dropbox (I've since found the problem - I needed to change the 'http' to 'https' in the Google links...), but had plans to serve a couple from there - Looks like it won't be happening, now.

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[Arlen Beiler]

Can we use GitHub? Or is that like swatting a fly with a car? Plus it is HTTP, right?

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[PMario]

On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 10:07:25 PM UTC+2, Arlen Beiler wrote:

Can we use GitHub? Or is that like swatting a fly with a car? Plus it is HTTP, right?

Github pages does exactly that. It's already used to server tiddlywiki.com
The difference is, that there is no "automatic" syncing between an index.html file on your hard-drive and github.
It's a different usecase and uses different design decisions.

-m

[Mark S.]

I've never tried it, but Danielo has posted instructions for using Github along with Travis-ci to host web pages:

https://github.com/danielo515/TW5-auto-publish2gh-pages

On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 1:07:25 PM UTC-7, Arlen Beiler wrote:

Can we use GitHub? Or is that like swatting a fly with a car? Plus it is HTTP, right?

On Sep 3, 2016 02:33, "Zaphod Beeblebrox" <zaph...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm just a lowly free user at Dropbox, and my HTML-Rendering-Cessation Date is October 3rd, 2016.

I currently only use it to store a few TW's, as I make use of Google Fonts, and until just the past couple of weeks those fonts would not show up when the TW's were 'served' by Dropbox (I've since found the problem - I needed to change the 'http' to 'https' in the Google links...), but had plans to serve a couple from there - Looks like it won't be happening, now.

--Zaphod


On Thursday, September 1, 2016 at 10:19:36 AM UTC-4, Steven Schneider wrote:

Has anyone received this email from Dropbox:

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[Alex Hough]

The Dropbox "server" is a great thing..... Why in earth would they remove this feature? How difficult is it to replicate?

Alex 

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[Mark S.]

My guess is that it is too hard to constantly monitor these sites against abuse by spammers. Spammers will use any tool to post links to their illicit products. For instance, if you run a standard PHP bulletin board, you have to be constantly on guard against spammers that will sign up and use the public "profile" space to post links. On Yahoo, I found that spammers would use the calendar associated with bulletin boards to post their links.

I'm surprised that spammers haven't found tiddlyspot yet. Actually, they may have already, and who would know?

Mark

[Danielo Rodríguez]

Tiddlywiky is not a good thing for spammers because it has several SEO problems. Web spiders have no idea about how to understand tiddlywiky.

Spammers attack easy and traditional targets. Any extra effort does not deserve the time

[Mark S.]

Spammers don't need SEO for their link farms.  They use any kind of site as a disposable URL farm. When they send out mail, they don't link directly to their home sites, because if they did  those sites would be closed down within a matter of hours. Instead they put addresses in their mail that go to the disposable sites. Then, instead of closing down the actual spam site, its the link farm that gets reported. This means that innocent sites (like tiddlyspot or some forums) will get blacklisted instead of the actual spam site. The spammers don't care who they cause trouble for, and will use any resource.

Mark

[RichardWilliamSmith]

Github desktop offers an alternative to the command line for putting things up on Github and is very easy to use. You need to make a branch called "gh-pages" and the content in that branch gets served as your site (it can match your master exactly). More info: https://pages.github.com/

[Danielo Rodríguez]

I really encourage you to try my tutorial

https://github.com/danielo515/TW5-auto-publish2gh-pages

It allows you to edit directly on github, without the need to be on your computer to "compile and publish" your wiki

[John Newell]

To say that I am "miffed" at the prospect of getting no warning about the disconnection by dropbox who are no longer delivering / rendering HTML files - such as TW - is enough to have me cancel 17 accounts with them. And I know that will impact TW users in significant numbers

THERE IS ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE ... and it renders HTML fine - it also can render/play  *doc, *.xls, *.ppt, *.png, *.gif, *.jpg, *.mp4 *.mp3 etc etc

test it out for yourself -
it is my preferred companion product for use alongside TW5

       https://goo.gl/Y1cjfQ

You can read it in-browser -
you'll recognise the single page (export) file it as the Offline Guide in my TWebook post.....
It renders full TW5 fine - at least for all the ones I've posted up.

Can it allow for a fully operational TW5 file ?

YES - try this out - http://bit.ly/TW5hosted

test it out online !!!

There is a cost to hosting - but only $29 pa !! ( for the "Briefcase" edition ... and ....
it's virtually limitless - you'll be fans as I am
I use it a LOT for client sites where a padlet EMBED delivers fast reliable info
Awesome near-instant sharing ...
lots of upsides that are very different to dropbox,

highly  recommended

Disclosure : I am connected with padlet with certain arrangements and access - that have allowed me to create unique opportunities with / for my clients...
Happy for you to enlist directly with their team.

cheers
John Newell