Twin tiddlers

[Alberto Molina]

Hi everyone,

I want to create twin tiddlers or mirror tiddlers or clone tiddlers.

What's that? Different tiddlers (with different title) that look exactly the same in view mode: same title, same tags, same text, same fields.

What for? As a time saver. I want different ways to refer to the same tiddler without needing to always specify its exact title inside the brackets.

For instance, I would like the links: [[Darwinism]], [[darwinism]], NeoDarwinism, NaturalSelection, [[natural selection]], [[theory of evolution]] all refer to the same tiddler (or different twin tiddlers with the same content in view mode) without needing to specify: [[darwinism|Darwinism]], [[NaturalSelection|Darwinism]], [[theory of evolution|Darwinism]], etc.

How to do that? 

1. As a first step, I can imagine two solutions to say which tiddler is a twin and which is the "original" (the one I want to see in view mode)
   
• using a field called "twin" or "mirror" whose content is the title of the "original" tiddler.
• using a list field in the "original" tiddler with a list of its twins.
2. As a second step, it would be necessary to change the ViewTemplate in order to display the content of the "original" tiddler each time I open one of its twins.

(I really don't know how to do this second step because I barelly understand the content of $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate)

One shortcomming I see with this method is that the filters "tagging", "backlinks", etc., will not follow the mirroring. I think it is still possible to see how many tiddlers are tagging or refering to the original tiddler through its twins, but it would need a more complex filtering.

What do you think about this idea?

Alberto

[Alberto Molina]

How to do that? 

1. As a first step, I can imagine two solutions to say which tiddler is a twin and which is the "original" (the one I want to see in view mode)
   
• using a field called "twin" or "mirror" whose content is the title of the "original" tiddler.
• using a list field in the "original" tiddler with a list of its twins.
2. As a second step, it would be necessary to change the ViewTemplate in order to display the content of the "original" tiddler each time I open one of its twins.

(I really don't know how to do this second step because I barelly understand the content of $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate)

Another solution, easier for the end-user but that may require changes to the core, would be to have just one tiddler with a list field for alternate titles.

This wày "Tiddler one" could have as alternate titles: tiddler one, TiddlerOne, First tiddler, first tiddler, …

[whatever]

Hi!

LinkifyPlugin (x) should do exactly what you want, without a whole bunch of additional tiddlers.

(1) http://linkify.tiddlyspot.com/
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[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Alberto,

The feature you describe is on the roadmap for 1.0 under the name "tiddler aliases". The idea is to be able to allow multiple titles that refer to the same tiddler.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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[Eric Shulman]

On Saturday, February 8, 2014 9:37:34 AM UTC-8, whatever wrote:

LinkifyPlugin (x) should do exactly what you want, without a whole bunch of additional tiddlers.
(1) http://linkify.tiddlyspot.com/

Although Alberto didn't specify [TW5] in the subject, he referred to "$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate" in his question.  Thus, it's apparent that he's asking about TW5... and  LinkifyPlugin is a TWC plugin, so that solution does not apply here.

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[whatever]

Oops, I missed that. You're right, of course.

[Stephan Hradek]

Am Samstag, 8. Februar 2014 18:44:16 UTC+1 schrieb Jeremy Ruston:

Hi Alberto,

The feature you describe is on the roadmap for 1.0 under the name "tiddler aliases". The idea is to be able to allow multiple titles that refer to the same tiddler.

It's already possible. See http://tw5magick.tiddlyspot.com and search for "Aliases"… ;)
 

[Alberto Molina]

Although Alberto didn't specify [TW5] in the subject, he referred to "$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate" in his question.  Thus, it's apparent that he's asking about TW5... and  LinkifyPlugin is a TWC plugin, so that solution does not apply here.

Oops, I forgot to mention [TW5] in the subject, sorry! 

It's already possible. See http://tw5magick.tiddlyspot.com and search for "Aliases"… ;)

Stephan, you're a great magician!    

Alberto

[Jeremy Ruston]

It's already possible. See http://tw5magick.tiddlyspot.com and search for "Aliases"… ;)

I salute your cunning once again, that's absolutely brilliant.

Best wishes

Jeremy

[Andy Unrein]

This is a great feature which I want to deploy in my wikis. I'm still on TWC, but I plan to migrate sometime this year.

I've thought of a need that seems related. I don't know if it should be a separate feature, or done with aliasing.

My usual convention is to name tiddlers in lowercase (I almost never use CamelCase.) My later references to them occur in natural sentence flow, sometimes at the beginning of a sentence when capitalization is needed. I would like a way to selectively make tiddler links that are case-insensitive. Perhaps with a single character at the beginning of the tiddler reference? (one that's currently unused in TW syntax.)

Example with a tiddler named life --

Case-insensitive link:
[[¿Life]] imitates art.
This WikiText would link to the tiddler life without having to type [[Life|life]]
I couldn't think of an unused character; implement with a more typical ASCII character than ¿
The use of a prepending character for this has some consistency with the ~ that suppresses auto-linking mixed case.

I think there could be other scenarios, apart from initial letter capitalization, where this may be useful.

As an alternative, various capitalizations could be stored as aliases, using Stephen's functionality. What seems the cleaner approach, both for the end-user and the core architecture?

[Jeremy Ruston]

My usual convention is to name tiddlers in lowercase (I almost never use CamelCase.)  My later references to them occur in natural sentence flow, sometimes at the beginning of a sentence when capitalization is needed.  I would like a way to selectively make tiddler links that are case-insensitive.  Perhaps with a single character at the beginning of the tiddler reference? (one that's currently unused in TW syntax.)

That's pretty much the use case that aliases are intended to help (the other being dealing with plurals, so "tiddler" and "tiddlers" all go to the same tiddler.

The trouble with case insensitive links is that they can be ambiguous; what should "life" match if we've got tiddlers called "LIFE" and "Life"?

 

Best wishes

Jeremy

Example with a tiddler named life --

Case-insensitive link:
[[¿Life]] imitates art.
This WikiText would link to the tiddler life without having to type [[Life|life]]
I couldn't think of an unused character; implement with a more typical ASCII character than ¿
The use of a prepending character for this has some consistency with the ~ that suppresses auto-linking mixed case.

I think there could be other scenarios, apart from initial letter capitalization, where this may be useful.

As an alternative, various capitalizations could be stored as aliases, using Stephen's functionality.  What seems the cleaner approach, both for the end-user and the core architecture?

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It's already possible. See http://tw5magick.tiddlyspot.com and search for "Aliases"… ;)
 

Cannot make it work with TW5 version 5.0.12-beta or 5.1.9 

It is me or something broke this nice magick you made before these versions?

Olivier.

[Birthe C]

Hi Olivier,

Maybe you can use Tobias Beers solution http://tobibeer.github.io/tb5/#Alias%20Links



Birthe

[Olivier]

On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Birthe C <strikke...@googlemail.com> wrote:

Hi Olivier,

Maybe you can use Tobias Beers solution http://tobibeer.github.io/tb5/#Alias%20Links

Thanks, it works with version 5.1.9 but not with my  5.0.12-beta with MathJax and it seems MathJax does not work with more recent versions... I am stuck!

[Birthe C]

Hi Olivier,

I do not have any TW version 5.012-beta, but I just tried the solution from http://tw5magick.tiddlyspot.com/
In TW version 5.010. That worked. You need the tidder unwikified from the same link too.


Birthe

[Olivier]

Hi Birthe,

On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 6:01 PM, Birthe C <strikke...@googlemail.com> wrote:

I do not have any TW version 5.012-beta, but I just tried the solution from http://tw5magick.tiddlyspot.com/
In TW version 5.010. That worked. You need the tidder unwikified from the same link too.

Yes, the problem is not the version of Tiddlywiki but MathJax. It might be the reason why Katex is the officiel LaTeX plugin...

Thanks for your help,

Olivier. 

[BJ]

it seems that mathjax can be made to work with latter version of tw5:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/MathJax|sort:date/tiddlywiki/PZVHoq6tGUQ/UiuPX4d7hNIJ

cheers
BJ

[Olivier]

It works !!! Thanks :-)

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BTW there are " missing in Tobias' alink macro:

https://tobibeer.github.io/tb5/#Alias%20Links

it should be

\define alink(target)
<<a: "$target$">>
\end

I couldn't see his email on his web site... 

[Tobias Beer]

Thanks, updated: $:/.tb/macros/alink @ tb5

About time I integrated a little contact form.

Best wishes,

— tb

[Thomas Woite]

Hi all,
I really do like this alias appraoch. Tried both version (from Stephan and Tobias)
and both work great for me. One thing i realized, that this dynamic kind of links does not show up
when using the backlinks filter operator on the target tiddler.

So my problem is, I cant figure out which tiddler are refering to a target using this alias mechanism. I am guessing
this is probably because this macros are executed on rendering time.
Could an additonal transclusion be a workaround for this issue? I tried to figure something out, but was unable to succeed so far.

I tried something like

\define alias(i_alias, i_text)
<$list filter="[field:alias/\|$i_alias$\|/(i)sort[title]limit[1]]">
   {{||MyTemplate}}</$list>
\end

//MyTemplateTiddler

<$link to={{!!title}}>MyLinktext</$link>

But it did not change anything.

if am writing the link widget like

<$link to="MyTiddler">Linktext</$link>

backlings do work, probably because its an explicite reference.

Best,
Thomas

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Thomas,

 

and both work great for me. One thing i realized, that this dynamic kind of links does not show up
when using the backlinks filter operator on the target tiddler.

Unfortunately that is a constraint that will possibly never be overcome,

at least I think it would require to specifically declare which dynamic links

to index as references and which not to.

I don't know of any such implementation atm.

Best wishes,

Tobias.

[PMario]

On Saturday, February 8, 2014 at 5:37:32 PM UTC+1, Alberto Molina wrote:

For instance, I would like the links: [[Darwinism]], [[darwinism]], NeoDarwinism, NaturalSelection, [[natural selection]], [[theory of evolution]] all refer to the same tiddler (or different twin tiddlers with the same content in view mode) without needing to specify: [[darwinism|Darwinism]], [[NaturalSelection|Darwinism]], [[theory of evolution|Darwinism]], etc.

Hi Alberto,

I think the uni-link "alias" concept is close enough, to that, what you describe here. So it seems to be worth, to resurrect this topic ...

The project was re-started by a thread from Diego Mesa here in the group, where he used a plugin from TobiBeer. Which uses a differnt "list - format" to store aliases. ... BUT TW 5.1.14 introduced the "enlist" operator, which aligned my approach, much closer to the core.

Jeremy responded here in this thread, that your description is a planned extension to the core, "under the name "tiddler aliases". So I'm confident enough, to use the field-name "aliases" with the plugin.

have fun!
mario