[TW5] Roadmap for TiddlyDesktop

[Ed]

Hi Jeremy,

What are your ideas for the TiddlyDesktop in the (near) future if any?

I ask this because I have a problem, more of an inconvenwance, while
working with TW5 in TiddlyDeskTop.

When I do research about a project, I collect relevant links in a tiddler
for later reference and I like to use the framedlink macro to open such
a link inside the tiddler.
Works brilliantly when website in question allows it. When not I have
to open that link in a browser.

When I used FireFox before the FireFox Apocalypse, this was just  a
matter of opening in a new tab, so the screen was uncluttered, only
the browser was there.

Now with TiddlyDesktop I have a TiddlyDesktop window open + FireFox
to view said website. (And because of work in general there are some
more windows open.)

Any chance that you could remedy this?

Well I suppose you could make TiddlyDeskTop into a a sort of fuller-blown
browser, but that would be a major-major operation, a horrible task I suppose.
So I can live with it, but I am curious if you could do something and if there
is any roadmap of sorts for the TiddlyDesktop.

Thank very very much in advance!
DoublePlus-Cheers, Ed

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Ed

The problem with TiddlyDesktop is that it is trying to be a desktop browser, and users have the very reasonable expectation that it will behave like one. Sadly, the nw.js platform on which TiddlyDesktop is based only provides the basic rendering of web pages and requires features like tabs, find-on-page, print, spell checking, etc to be implemented manually. That means that developing TiddlyDesktop feels like a pretty thankless task: however much effort I put into reproducing standard browser features, it will never be as good a browser as the market leaders.

So, the direction I’d like to take it is to develop the web serving capabilities: in that configuration, TiddlyDesktop would be responsible for running the serverside of wikis, and you’d use your usual browser to connect to it.

It’s also worth mentioning TiddlyServer which also enhances the basic Node.js configuration of TiddlyWiki. See tiddlywiki.com for details.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Jeremy

Much of the attraction of TiddlyDesktop I think is in ease of install? It has limits but its attractively simple to get working.

TiddlyServer is better for getting to a (near) normal browser experience. But its more complex to set-up for beginners.

This question of "simplicity of setup" v. "maximal browser function" is an interesting and important one IMO.

Best wishes
Josiah 

[dg]

Jeremy,

Just a quick thank you -- sorry for being off topic -- to let you know that this newbie is using TiddlyDesktop v0.9 and happily cutting my teeth on Tiddly Wiki with it. Thank you for all your great work on these tools!

A grateful, happy newbie,
--
dg

[Jed Carty]

The new things I am doing with the MulitUser plugin may be useful here. It is a plugin and it adds the ability to server multiple wikis and have multiple people editing the wikis. And it is configurable from within the wiki itself. I think that once I have polished this a bit more it may help solve some of the problems.

[TonyM]

Jed,

That sound great. Given this thread would that include working on TiddlyDesktop when Jeremy completes the web serving capabilities? Of course most will be aware that tiddlydesktop and tiddlyserver are using "run time" nodejs.

The reason I ask is when I use Wikis I want to share or distribute to others, I want to explain what they can do "out of the box", to advise default saver, advanced savers, tiddly-desktop, serving and a multi user plugin would provide a path to all of the major "features" on a single adoption path (at least on windows).

Regards

Tony

[Raymond McDowell]

Hi Jeremy,

I would like to echo dg's gratitude. I am actually thinking of moving on from TW, but TiddlyDesktop's ease of install and ease of use, even with its limitations, has me hesitating.

So, whatever happens with TiddlyDesktop, please accept my thanks for developiing something un non-techies can use out of the box.

regards,

Ray

[Ed]

Hi Jeremy

Thank you very much for the well balanced an clear answer to my question.

The fact that you made TiddlyDesktopis already worth multikudo's!
Really looking forward to all innovations to come.

Lotsa thanks also to other people here to chime in in such a positive way.

As some extra info something about one of my use cases.
I have a TW5 that I work with at home and also at work, so
I carry it physically (a HD) with me from home to work and back.
(Yes, I DO back-ups, several times a day!)

I still have to figure out what the best way would be to have easy Save
and automatic Back-up functions.

But so far so good and I still think that TiddlyWiki is one of the best
pieces of software I ever used. BTW Voodoopad was also great, but
my Mac is equiped with a PowerProcessor and no money for a new Mac.
So my VoodPad version is also very old.
I use Lenovo's at home that are ex-work PC's that were replace by newer ones.

OK, Jed, looking forward to your work Atta boy!

Sincerly, Edmond



 


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