to tag or not to tag

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Captain Packers

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Dec 11, 2019, 10:05:56 AM12/11/19
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I'm curious about what people's views are about tagging. Is it better to limit the number of tags you use and force tiddlers to fit a tight and limited structure, or is it better to be generous and liberal with your tagging. The thing that got me wondering about this is the option to tag a new tiddler with the tittle of the current tiddler. Using this option frequently could lead to the creation of a virtually unlimited number of tags, almost one for every tiddler. Does this pose any performance problems? 

I suppose one could impose both philosophies or practices at the same time, where you allow each "child" tiddler to be tagged with the title of the parent, while maintaining a more limited set of topical tags for each tiddler.

As I said, I'm just curious about what tagging practices folks are employing, and whether or not there could eventually be some performance issues.

Thanks for your feedback.

P.S.: I am using a node tiddlywiki.

bimlas

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Dec 11, 2019, 10:15:22 AM12/11/19
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David Gifford

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Dec 11, 2019, 1:00:43 PM12/11/19
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I have personally moved away from tagging because of performance issues with list filters. And I haven't missed them.

I use linking and the relink plugin a lot. But then I tend to work deductively (top down) rather than inductively (bottom up).

Ste Wilson

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Dec 11, 2019, 2:01:04 PM12/11/19
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I have many tags...
As a tiddler of little brain i use tags to organise subject/sub-subject hiarachies .. All talk of 'other ways' is heresy! ;)

TiddlyTweeter

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Dec 11, 2019, 2:40:15 PM12/11/19
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David Gifford wrote:
I have personally moved away from tagging because of performance issues with list filters. 

Right. The issue is that "tags" in TW do a LOT of things. They are not like simple #hashtags on Twitter or Telegram or other places too.
 
TW tags support "categorical", "organisational" and "bespoke" functions.

But they come at a price. The more complex the tag usage gets the more it impacts render & refresh.

What I would say is that "taggery" in TW is a very good FIRST STRATEGY to try. 
Often the performance is NOT a major issue. 
A lot depends on (1) size of wiki; (2) scale of organisation by taggery. 

My 2 cents
TT 

TiddlyTweeter

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Dec 11, 2019, 2:42:09 PM12/11/19
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Ste Wilson wrote:
I have many tags...
As a tiddler of little brain i use tags to organise subject/sub-subject hiarachies .. All talk of 'other ways' is heresy! ;)

Professor, are you inclined to burn witches? :-)

TT 

Jed Carty

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Dec 11, 2019, 3:45:57 PM12/11/19
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I got with many many tags. I made the GenTags plugin to allow multiple tags-like fields which can help reduce the troubles associated with having a very long list of tags. Having tags in different fields lets you have different categories of tags to further organise your wiki.


I should update the plugin a bit. I am going to take a bit of time doing that now.

Mark S.

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Dec 11, 2019, 4:22:47 PM12/11/19
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Whenever I try to add "A demo tag" in the demo field of a new tiddler (from the demo tag menu), it takes me to an empty tiddler ("A Demo Tag") instead. I can type the tag in by hand, but I can't select it like I can in a regular tag field.

Ste Wilson

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Dec 11, 2019, 4:52:37 PM12/11/19
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Tag.. Your it!

Scott Kingery

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Dec 11, 2019, 5:00:07 PM12/11/19
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bimlas, thanks for posting that link. Lot's of great information and food for thought in there.

Jed Carty

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Dec 11, 2019, 5:22:42 PM12/11/19
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Like I said, I am updating it.

TonyM

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Dec 11, 2019, 5:39:53 PM12/11/19
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Captain,

In my view tags are of immense value, especially for building relationships and responding to the nature of the knowledge you are recording. Because of this value one can over use the tag space, pollute it with too many. What I do is freely use tags especially with the new here button however as soon as the use of a tag is systematic, for example used to assign one of N Projects,  a domain like Home/Work, I move it to a field or another method such as Jeds GenTags. 

Tags are not always the best tool because it is not strait forward to categorise them and respond differently, for example telling the difference between a project tag and a status tag. With status tags you need to remove one or more when you add another. It's much simpler to use a field that can have only one status value.

I suggest, Use tags as much as you need, but move them elsewhere once you can systamatise them.

Regards
Tony

Captain Packers

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Dec 12, 2019, 12:53:53 PM12/12/19
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So for example, with a TableOfContents, don't tag every tiddler with TableOfContents, but instead tag a second level tiddler with one of the primary area tiddlers that is tagged with TableOfContents??? Something like that?

Captain Packers

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Dec 12, 2019, 12:54:43 PM12/12/19
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Thanks to everyone for the great feedback and food for thought. Happy Holidays!

TonyM

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Dec 12, 2019, 3:26:23 PM12/12/19
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Captain

Re tableofcontents tag

That is one way and the new here button facilitates tagging subtiddlers with the current. Use the TOCP solution if you want to move this into a field and save tags.

Regards
Tony

Captain Packers

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Dec 13, 2019, 9:12:44 AM12/13/19
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What is the TOCP solution?

K500 L501

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Dec 13, 2019, 9:22:46 AM12/13/19
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