TW5 and its style

[Steve Rutter]

Question about TW5. Is it going to be pushed to the public in its current style? I really don't like it, having that pop-up, scrolling, menu on the side. I was hoping TW5 would look similar to the current TW, but be much better on the back side and have that built-in editing present. Is there any way to get that?

[Jeremy Ruston]

Question about TW5. Is it going to be pushed to the public in its current style?

No. Intentionally, I've paid little attention to the appearance up until now, focusing instead on getting the mechanisms right that generate and refresh HTML. I've done enough styling to let me test it, but no more. Right now, it's all about the engine, and ensuring that TiddlyWik5i componentises well for inclusion in other systems (eg TiddlyWeb).

I really don't like it, having that pop-up, scrolling, menu on the side.

The zooming chooser on the left is highly experimental. I did it at this point to help me understand coding for touch events rather than mouse events, and to explore performance for the planned interactive features. Although the current design doesn't function properly, I'm pleased with the basic idea: making it easy to navigate to any tiddler without having to scroll the page.

I was hoping TW5 would look similar to the current TW, but be much better on the back side and have that built-in editing present. Is there any way to get that?

That is still pretty much the plan, in particular the improved internals.

I'm using Twitter Bootstrap for styling at the moment, which gives a fairly basic aesthetic of its own. I hope to significantly declutter the basic user interface, but keep the basic idea of making it easy to interact with lots of tiddlers at once.

By 'built in editing' do you mean WYSIWYG editing?

Besides the things you mention, I think some other significant features of TW5 for end users are: 

- elevating bitmap and vector graphics to be first class citizens alongside textual tiddlers, allowing editing, transclusion and linking in the same way

- JSON tiddlers for data

- being able to run under node.js to break out of the constraints imposed by the browser. You'll be able to run TW5 as a personal web server

- expanded wikitext and filter syntax

Thanks for your interest,

Best wishes

Jeremy

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[Steve Rutter]

RE: Styling
Oh, ok. That makes sense. I guess you are considering targeting mobile platforms, as well. That's a good idea.

RE: Built-in Editing
Yeah, that is what I was talking about.

RE: Node.js
Let me see if I understand what Node.js does. It's a javascript that still runs under the browser, but then acts as its own engine to build apps on? How does that get away from browser constraints? (unless you are talking about cross compatibilities).

[wolfgang]

I must say I love it at first sight :-)

It goes straight in the direction which I tried to get at by adapting Tryptych tiddlyspace for standalone use:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/241006/Triptych_2.6.4.html

I'm confident TW5 will be even much more versatile than the current, so that any disliked style can simply be turned off and should be the least reason for concern. Just as today any TW style can be overwritten (though without sufficient knowledge of CSS sometimes only painstakingly) - I'm all for keeping its style definitions to the most basic for making even easier to adapt. The already now added functionality is just amazing.

Congratulations for this prototype, Jeremy!