[TW5] backticks for inline code - very bad usability on German keyboard layouts

[wis775]

Hi,
I am using TWC for several years mostly for personal notes about programming, tasks and system configurations with a heavily usage of the code formatting tags.

Now, I tired out  TW5 and learned, that I have to use 3 backticks to format a code line. On an English keyboard layout, I am sure, that 3 backitcks are very easy to type. But on my German keyboard layout, I have to press the following key sequence to get just 3 backticks

• SHIFT + backtick followed by space
  
• SHIFT + backtick followed by space
  
• SHIFT + backtick followed by space

I have to type 9 keys on my keyboard to get 3 simple backticks. :-(

So, is there any way to change this behavior or formatting text more easier as code?

thanks

Stefan

[Ton Gerner]

H i Stefan,

You can Stephan Hadrek's Code bookmarklet, see [1]

Cheers,

Ton

[1] http://tw5magick.tiddlyspot.com/

[Stephan Hradek]

Du übertreibst ;)

Just a hint… When I type a codeblock I press keep shift pressed and type 6 times `. Then I press 3 times cursor left and 1 time return. I end up with:

```
|```

where "|" marks the cursor position which is exactly where I need to enter the code.

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Stefan

That's a nuisance about backticks on German keyboards. It's going to be hard to keep the "typability" of wikitext options when there is such a wide variety of keyboard layouts around the world.

I think the most general solution will be a way to define "keyboard macros": sequences of keypresses that can be summoned with a single (programmable) keypress. Until TW5 incorporates that feature you may be able to use external tools for your operating system. (The Mac, for example, has a built in text expansion tool: http://www.cultofmac.com/186679/instantly-type-handy-phrases-in-mountain-lion-with-text-expansion-os-x-tips/)

Best wishes

Jeremy

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[Stephan Hradek]

Hi Jeremy!

I don't think it's an issue at all. After all: Every colleague I had so far, who was serious about programming, used an US keyboard. Or switched his keyboard layout to US. I myself don't do as I'm already used to all the weird places where you find [] {} \ etc.

And then there is also the possibility to simply take the codeblock.js and change the "```" to anything one likes. Maybe something which isn't used now and difficult to type in on a non-german keyboard like Shift-e : § ;)

[Stephan Hradek]

Shift-3 it is. Not Shift-e

[PMario]

On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 8:19:26 PM UTC+1, wis775 wrote:

Did you try to press : SHIFT backtick backtick ? which imo should give you 2 backticks at once. ... You can change your OS keyboard handling, so every "backtick" gives you one backtick.

IMO typing SHIFT backticks on a german keyboard is much simpler and faster, than {{{ }}} since it needs to use 2 different the AltGr key + {} combinations. 

Which OS do you use?

-mario

[wis775]

Thanks for all the replies.

For my Fedora environment, the most "convenience" way to get 3 backticks are  6 times the backtick key (without SHIFT). This  sequence will give me 3 backticks.

But I agree with Jeremy, that the general solution would be, that TiddlyWiki would provide some keyboard macros.

As an alternative, I can change the the regex to any sequence i like.

Stefan

[PMario]

On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 11:20:13 PM UTC+1, wis775 wrote:

For my Fedora environment, the most "convenience" way to get 3 backticks are  6 times the backtick key (without SHIFT). This  sequence will give me 3 backticks.

I did have the same/similar problem with ubuntu's default keyboard settings.

For me the active keyboard layout was wrong. .. I'm using: "Deutsch (Österreich, ohne Akzentzeichen)" ... this one works perfectly!

Do you also have a problem with the tilde? ~   ... you may need to type it twice. ... same problem.

I could fix it adjusting the "Systemeinstellungen: Tastatur: Texteingabe: Belegungseinstellungen".

There are about 20 possibilities for germany, austria, switzerland

may be some hints.
mario

[Leo Staley]

If I may: AutoHotkey or AutoIt 3 are probably the two best windows apps for making macros for this sort of thing. for something as quick and easy as this, either of them should work

[wis775]

A very helpful hint.  The keyboard layout "German (dead acut)" works much better than "German (Austria)". Now, there is no difference in usability between {{{ and ``` :-)

Thanks a lot / Danke

Stefan