Tiddlywiki right sidebar: How do you use it?

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Mohammad Rahmani

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Apr 27, 2021, 2:53:45 AM4/27/21
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The sidebar is oen the most powerful designs of Tiddlywiki, always underestimated and people look for a left sidebar (like other common web pages where they are mostly used for menus or ads) or hiding it?

So lets share your experiences,

  • how do you use the right sidebar (do you see it at all?)
  • what do you like to see on the sight sidebar?
  • can you give some online examples of TW right sidebar?


Best wishes
Mohammad

Jeremy Ruston

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Apr 27, 2021, 4:53:51 AM4/27/21
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Just to explain the original rationale, the reason that in TW5 I put the sidebar on the right was because I felt the story river should be the primary content.  Given the way that eye tracking studies show that we read web pages from the top left, that meant making sure that the story river occupied the top left corner of the page.

Further, TW5 defaults to a single sidebar to keep things simple, and make written explanations a bit shorter ("click the X button in the sidebar" rather than "click the X button in the right sidebar"). My worry early on was that the combinatorial complexity of the UI would overwhelm users, so I was very focussed on making the core UI be clear, and establishing conventions that would allow more elaborate formulations to be built on top.

Best wishes

Jeremy


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PMario

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Hi,
I think, that tiddlymap.org is one of the best examples, that a "right" sidebar makes sense.
-mario

ludwa6

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Apr 27, 2021, 6:06:02 AM4/27/21
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Agreed, @Mohammad: that right sidebar is like the digital extension of my right hand, when working in TW; without it, i would not be using TW at all, i expect.  The fact that it is persistent, always-accessible and easily mutable -all 3 qualities at the same time- is what makes it so powerful for me... And, as a relatively new user, still in process of making this my primary IDE for ideas, it is just this tension between mutability and structure that makes this such an appropriate technology for my "outboard brain."

Right now (i mean today: tomorrow may be different!), i'm spending 90% of my TW time between two different instances: one mainly about learning the tech that is chock-full of plugins (including a few of yours, Mohammad) whose sidebar is ever-changing, and a newer one based on Soren's Zettelkasten that has a powerful structure, evolved by SB over a year of heavy use it seems, that i am determined not to mess with until i really understand it.

Regarding the latter: beyond the standard elements, its sidebar has a "Write" tab that includes a set of sub-tabs representing distinct steps in the idea-processing workflow, whereby each tab presents a list of tiddlers at a certain stage of completion.  This system has affordances for distinguishing between Private and Public content, so one can easily filter out the subset for pushing into Public space (a github repo, in my case: still an almost empty shell, as i'm still working mostly in Private/ desktop space), using the Advanced Search widget -that being the most essential feature of TW Sidebar in all instances for me.

Regarding the former instance above: It's complicated... But two most interesting features that i'm using intensively right now are:
  1. Charlie's "Kiosk Gadget" , which works like an embedded browser of certain content that i'm having to refer to constantly -right now it's a certain set of Wikipedia articles, documentation from TW.com, and TW-Scripts finder in Kookma's github repo (am just starting to scratch the surface of latter, Mohammad, but that's a goldmine you've got there!).  The other is
  2. Dave's Customizer plugin , which delivers the ultimate in mutability to both the sidebar and the view template for tiddlers.  Using this plugin (accessed via a tiny dropdown arrow in topLH corner of browser, which opens a LH menu only when you need it) i can turn the default sidebar (which now includes a "Refs" tab for [1] above) on or off, and also a stack of sidebar add-ons that can be (de)activated/ reordered to taste.  Mine currently includes (a) "Book Tools" -a handy little set of affordances for quickly capturing key info about resources and Glossary & Bibliography-building; and (b) Advanced Search.
The other element of TW Sidebar, essential in all instances i would say, is the Toolbar strip, whose set of featured icons is still changing pretty often in my case, as i'm still not sure which ones i use most often (if i could put a click-counter on these tools, then i could apply some productivity science here :-), but i'm not so bothered about this, since i can always access a hidden tool via the "Tools" tab in default sidebar (again: these mutable structures really rock!).

/walt

Mohammad Rahmani

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Apr 27, 2021, 6:11:55 AM4/27/21
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Hi Jeremy,
 Many thanks for your clarification!  I love the sidebar and I use it alot!
 As you said we have the main story river from top left of the page where we focus to read!

The empty.html itself (simplicity, clean UI, small story river and big sidebar) is like a fresh air and I always start with it for any new project.  I think we need demos/experiences to be shared about how one can  effectively and successfully use different elements!


Best wishes
Mohammad


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Mohammad


Elegant!

 

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Hi Walt,

I enjoy reading your experiences with Tiddlywiki and see how active you are these days in the forum!

On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 2:36 PM ludwa6 <wlud...@gmail.com> wrote:
Agreed, @Mohammad: that right sidebar is like the digital extension of my right hand, when working in TW; without it, i would not be using TW at all, i expect.  The fact that it is persistent, always-accessible and easily mutable -all 3 qualities at the same time- is what makes it so powerful for me... And, as a relatively new user, still in process of making this my primary IDE for ideas, it is just this tension between mutability and structure that makes this such an appropriate technology for my "outboard brain."

Right now (i mean today: tomorrow may be different!), i'm spending 90% of my TW time between two different instances: one mainly about learning the tech that is chock-full of plugins (including a few of yours, Mohammad) whose sidebar is ever-changing, and a newer one based on Soren's Zettelkasten that has a powerful structure, evolved by SB over a year of heavy use it seems, that i am determined not to mess with until i really understand it.


Yes, the Soren approach is great! and I think this is one successful workflow in using Tiddlywiki for note taking! He uses a lot from the sidebar!
Just for writing tab or explorer I used another approach and it is  the Favorites plugin which lets you create flat and structured bookmarks! By the way I think the Soren approach is wonderful and worth learning.


 

Regarding the latter: beyond the standard elements, its sidebar has a "Write" tab that includes a set of sub-tabs representing distinct steps in the idea-processing workflow, whereby each tab presents a list of tiddlers at a certain stage of completion.  This system has affordances for distinguishing between Private and Public content, so one can easily filter out the subset for pushing into Public space (a github repo, in my case: still an almost empty shell, as i'm still working mostly in Private/ desktop space), using the Advanced Search widget -that being the most essential feature of TW Sidebar in all instances for me.

Regarding the former instance above: It's complicated... But two most interesting features that i'm using intensively right now are:
  1. Charlie's "Kiosk Gadget" , which works like an embedded browser of certain content that i'm having to refer to constantly -right now it's a certain set of Wikipedia articles, documentation from TW.com, and TW-Scripts finder in Kookma's github repo (am just starting to scratch the surface of latter, Mohammad, but that's a goldmine you've got there!).  The other is
  2. Dave's Customizer plugin , which delivers the ultimate in mutability to both the sidebar and the view template for tiddlers.  Using this plugin (accessed via a tiny dropdown arrow in topLH corner of browser, which opens a LH menu only when you need it) i can turn the default sidebar (which now includes a "Refs" tab for [1] above) on or off, and also a stack of sidebar add-ons that can be (de)activated/ reordered to taste.  Mine currently includes (a) "Book Tools" -a handy little set of affordances for quickly capturing key info about resources and Glossary & Bibliography-building; and (b) Advanced Search.

Great! one point I like to share is that in the long term use I always stay with simpler solutions!

 
The other element of TW Sidebar, essential in all instances i would say, is the Toolbar strip, whose set of featured icons is still changing pretty often in my case, as i'm still not sure which ones i use most often (if i could put a click-counter on these tools, then i could apply some productivity science here :-), but i'm not so bothered about this, since i can always access a hidden tool via the "Tools" tab in default sidebar (again: these mutable structures really rock!).

/walt


On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 7:53:45 AM UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:
The sidebar is oen the most powerful designs of Tiddlywiki, always underestimated and people look for a left sidebar (like other common web pages where they are mostly used for menus or ads) or hiding it?

So lets share your experiences,

  • how do you use the right sidebar (do you see it at all?)
  • what do you like to see on the sight sidebar?
  • can you give some online examples of TW right sidebar?


Best wishes
Mohammad

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Example of using Tiddlywiki sidebar effectively

One example is Favorites! There are few plugins for this, but one is the below

https://kookma.github.io/TW-Favorites/

It creates a sidebar tab and lets to manage your bookmarks
Simply pin a tiddler or set of tiddlers when you work on a project (just click the heart icon on the tiddler toolbar)
Create bookmark
Create folders of bookmarks
Organize the favorite list by drag and drop
Export list of favorites tiddler and may more ...


Favorites is one of my essential tools in Tiddlywiki



Best wishes
Mohammad

S²

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Apr 27, 2021, 6:49:01 AM4/27/21
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Hello,
I really like Tiddly Wiki - I'm more user than programmer.
I prefer to have the whole screen available for the content of the tiddler. That's why my right sitebar is faded out.
When I need a second column, I have installed the plugin 'Stories'
right_sidebar.png
Greetings
Stefan

Brian Radspinner

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Apr 27, 2021, 7:31:39 AM4/27/21
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I have a customized sidebar layout that works well for me:
SidebarLayout.jpg

David Gifford

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Hi Mohammad

My use of the right sidebar:

1. First thing I do is hide the sitetitle and sitesubtitle. They take up so much room. Removing them lets me see more of the tabs.
2. I either use my customizer plugin or I add a couple tabs, using captions to keep them short. List-searches, for example.
3. I don't tend to use the tools tab, so I usually hide it.
4. I add custom new tiddler buttons to the pagecontrols.
5. I tend to like hiding the regular search bar and replacing it with advanced search, sometimes in a tab, which then gives me even more vertical space for the tabs.

BTW, smart strategy! Raise a question, then wait a while after you get a few answers to re-introduce your Favorites plugin! Smooth! But it worked, I am now thinking about using it for a project...

General comment: for years I have chafed at having the sidebars on the right. Left menus seem more intuitive to me. But when I have tried left menus, one negative I discovered is that long tiddler titles, tocs that indent several levels, or other long content that doesn't fit in the sidebar width, are much more annoying on the left than they are on the right. On the right it just feels like it's running off the page. On the left it feels like the elements themselves are conflicting. So, another plus for Jeremy's decision.

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On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 4:36 PM David Gifford <dgif...@crcna.org> wrote:
Hi Mohammad

Hi Dave,


My use of the right sidebar:

1. First thing I do is hide the sitetitle and sitesubtitle. They take up so much room. Removing them lets me see more of the tabs.
2. I either use my customizer plugin or I add a couple tabs, using captions to keep them short. List-searches, for example.
3. I don't tend to use the tools tab, so I usually hide it.

This is a tab used rarely!

 
4. I add custom new tiddler buttons to the pagecontrols.

I like the idea by Soren! See his Zettelkasten edition! Proper tabs for different subjects!
Also see my https://highlightjs.tiddlyhost.com/ and note how simple templates and buttons are used to facilitate creating new items on the fly!
I will introduce this later in this thread! (if I find enough time)
 
5. I tend to like hiding the regular search bar and replacing it with advanced search, sometimes in a tab, which then gives me even more vertical space for the tabs.

I like the search bar but I use the field search by Mario!

 

BTW, smart strategy! Raise a question, then wait a while after you get a few answers to re-introduce your Favorites plugin! Smooth! But it worked, I am now thinking about using it for a project...

This made me laugh very loudly! There was no strategy at all! I just wanted to collect the ideas and experiences from others! Sometimes you are surprised at how people use TW!
By the way, introduce other plugins, tools, cases, ... no matter who created them, it does matter how useful they are!
 

General comment: for years I have chafed at having the sidebars on the right. Left menus seem more intuitive to me. But when I have tried left menus, one negative I discovered is that long tiddler titles, tocs that indent several levels, or other long content that doesn't fit in the sidebar width, are much more annoying on the left than they are on the right. On the right it just feels like it's running off the page. On the left it feels like the elements themselves are conflicting. So, another plus for Jeremy's decision.

I have another point of view here! I consider the right sidebar as a dashboard as a quick access panel, so most of the time specially in the production phase I highly need it!

 


On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 1:53:45 AM UTC-5 Mohammad wrote:
The sidebar is oen the most powerful designs of Tiddlywiki, always underestimated and people look for a left sidebar (like other common web pages where they are mostly used for menus or ads) or hiding it?

So lets share your experiences,

  • how do you use the right sidebar (do you see it at all?)
  • what do you like to see on the sight sidebar?
  • can you give some online examples of TW right sidebar?


Best wishes
Mohammad

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On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 3:19 PM S² <schlechter...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I really like Tiddly Wiki - I'm more user than programmer.
I prefer to have the whole screen available for the content of the tiddler. That's why my right sitebar is faded out.
When I need a second column, I have installed the plugin 'Stories'

Hi Stefan,

Yep, Stories is a great plugin here! Thank you for sharing your sidebar snapshot!

 
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Hi Brian,
Wonderful sidebar!
I see the Explorer on the tabs list!
The tiddler creators 
Nice color theme! 

How do you pin tiddlers? Is it a plugin or you use tagging?

Thank you for sharing the snapshot!

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Example of using Tiddlywiki sidebar effectively

The Zettelkasten edition by Soren is another nice example of  sidebar application.

See the Explorer tab

img_92_chrome.png


and the Write tab! There are several categories here Stubs, Missing, Needing attention, Needing excision, TODO, and OpenQuestion.

img_91_chrome.png

So while Tiddlywiki has a nonlinear behaviour you can have a linear structured organization of notes and ideas in the sidebar!
For detail information and demos see 




Best wishes
Mohammad


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Brian Radspinner

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Thank you Mohammad,

How do you pin tiddlers? Is it a plugin or you use tagging?

It's just a list that grabs tiddlers tagged with "Sticky" and displays them. I also have a Tiddler Controls button that adds the tag to a tiddler for easy one-click tagging.

Having the Explorer tab readily available makes it so much easier to work with system tiddlers. I only recently got around to finally using system tids for organizing customizations after finding this hierarchy list. It is SO useful.

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On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 6:59 PM Brian Radspinner <brian.ra...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you Mohammad,

Hi Brian!


How do you pin tiddlers? Is it a plugin or you use tagging?

It's just a list that grabs tiddlers tagged with "Sticky" and displays them. I also have a Tiddler Controls button that adds the tag to a tiddler for easy one-click tagging.

Very neat idea! In production mode (e.g developing plugin, preparing course notes, ...) pining tiddlers is very useful! 
Thank you for sharing your workflow!


 


Having the Explorer tab readily available makes it so much easier to work with system tiddlers. I only recently got around to finally using system tids for organizing customizations after finding this hierarchy list. It is SO useful.


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Example of using Tiddlywiki sidebar effectively

The Zettelkasten edition by Soren is another nice example of  sidebar application.

See the Explorer tab

img_92_chrome.png


and the Write tab! There are several categories here Stubs, Missing, Needing attention, Needing excision, TODO, and OpenQuestion.

img_91_chrome.png

So while Tiddlywiki has a nonlinear behaviour you can have a linear structured organization of notes and ideas in the sidebar!
For detail information and demos see 




Best wishes
Mohammad


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The sidebar is oen the most powerful designs of Tiddlywiki, always underestimated and people look for a left sidebar (like other common web pages where they are mostly used for menus or ads) or hiding it?

So lets share your experiences,

  • how do you use the right sidebar (do you see it at all?)
  • what do you like to see on the sight sidebar?
  • can you give some online examples of TW right sidebar?


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Mohammad

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Example of using Tiddlywiki sidebar effectively

One lovely tool resides nicely in the sidebar is the Calendar! The Eric Shulman Timer package.
Url http://tiddlytools.com/timer.html

The sidebar shows the Calendar and month view plus your schedules! You can click on a day and create
new events and much more.

I use only the calendar part which can come to work in your wiki by following the below instructions

    • TiddlyTools/Time/SidebarCalendar
    • TiddlyTools/Time/Calendar

image.png


For full installation See http://tiddlytools.com/timer.html


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Mohammad


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I have kind of set to the whitespace theme as a default. Combined with the mobile plugin it is basically platform agnostic and opens up a lot of space for stroll. For me, TW was to cluttered from the get go, I kind of had the bias that it would not be very easily usable. Which it maybe shouldn’t be, I think now, it’s made to explore. On the other hand, you can actually do a lot in tw without that much configuration, and whitespace just works better visually I think. 
a default configuration I have on the sidebar is to put all content related tabs into one: the default ones „recent“ and „open“, and some custom overviews. 

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Hi Florian,
Thank you for sharing your experience! Yes on a mobile phone or as a website or documentation app, one feels a lot of spaces at the right!
But as you work with Tiddlywiki specially in production mode (I mean not for reading only) one realizes the usability of different elements!

Recently I am watching some videos by Jeremy (not new ones) where he talks about Tiddlywiki and different use cases, history and philosophy 
and they are really useful for finding how better one can use the tool.



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Example of using Tiddlywiki sidebar effectively

One other interesting use case of sidebar is the More sidebar tab! If you tag a tiddler with $:/tags/MoreSideBar it instantly appears in More Sidebar as a vertical tab!
Most kookma plugins have a quick setting tiddler which one can access from the sidebar!

For example see

Shiraz
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Utility
img_98_chrome.png


Favorites
img_99_chrome.png



Tiddlywiki on its own design is simple, flat and very useful!


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Example of using Tiddlywiki Sidebar

Recently a solution was provided to use the sidebar tab as a temporary basket for exporting tiddlers!
It is like a shopping basket when you go to a big supermarket, select items and put in your basket!
This is a great handy space to select tiddlers you gonna share to others for example through email
and empty it when you finish!

See solutions by Soren, Tones and Mohammad (download and add to your wiki as you like)
https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/2ua8NAlVrxg/m/4CD2nJUHBAAJ

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Example of using Tiddlywiki sidebar effectively

One example is Todolist! There are few plugins for this, but one is the below

https://kookma.github.io/TW-Todolist/

It nicely sits in the sidebar and lets you create your todo list, use colors and symbols to prioritize, and make tasks done! archive finished tasks, and much more...

There are several reason to use a Todolist:
  • keep track of daily tasks
  • greater efficiency
  • error reduction
  • improved work consistency
  • planning improvements
  • improving teamwork
  • a happier you!

and many more reasons ...


Todolists is one of my tools in working with Tiddlywiki

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This is to show the sidebar in Tiddlywiki has a design philosophy! It makes life much easier when you work on a large screen!


Best wishes
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Example of using Tiddlywiki sidebar effectively

One of the efficient use case of sidebar is pinning tiddlers to sidebar

Using tiddlers side by side
  • When you develop contents and need to look at other tiddlers at the same time
  • When you develop scripts and you need the doc tiddler
  • When you need tiddlers side by side for comparison
  • When you ...

Ref

  1. Drift by Akhter https://akhater.github.io/drift/#Features
  2. https://rr-tw5.github.io/#DAILY%20NOTES

See attached small gif to see how it works


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Example of using Tiddlywiki sidebar effectively

This example shows a very cute solution form BTC, our very talented friend Simon (BTC), we miss him here!

This is Simon post on forum

Hi dear Tiddly Community,
I'm currently shamelessly stealing the styles from TiddlyDesktop to create a NoteBooks plugin, a plugin for sub-notebooks within a single tiddlywiki ...
... and I'm hoping for some ideas
There's a link for who's interested: http://tw5notebooks.tiddlyspot.com/

Basically, the tab in the sidebar is for switching / editing notebooks. Once a notebook is selected, new tiddlers are automatically tagged with its title
I hope someone's interested to play around with it and can provide me some inspiration :P


img_148_explorer.png



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jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
Just to explain the original rationale, the reason that in TW5 I put the sidebar on the right was because I felt the story river should be the primary content.  Given the way that eye tracking studies show that we read web pages from the top left, that meant making sure that the story river occupied the top left corner of the page.

RIGHT! 

The Only I comment I have is it has become (on default) more a developers sidebar than an end users?
It is VERY complex with multiple items an end user may not actually need at all. 
This is NOT a criticism, but an observation.

My guess is the complex evolution of TW is actually quite reflected in the (over-complex?) default right sidebar?

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