Any Cooks here?

[Alex Hough]

Dear All,

I saw the appeal for marathoner, thought I'd see if there are any people documenting their explorations into cooking.

best wishes

Alex

[Tobias Beer]

I saw the appeal for marathoner, thought I'd see if there are any people documenting their explorations into cooking.

The one thing I only use my intuition and brains, nose nd taste-buds for...

or a recipe to get the general idea, but so far, not really a notebook of my own.

Ok, perhaps gmail... just to save it somewhere.

Best wishes, Tobias.

[Alex Hough]

I liked the phrase "ZetelKastenCookBook" and was thinking of a new type of cook book, more a collection of patterns you would link together, like a Pattern Language.

Add garlic at the end

Fermented cabbage in stir fry

Smoked fish in stock

.... thinks like that....

The cooking literature is actually quite conservative and prescriptive, i want inspiration not recipies to follow

Alex

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[Stephen Kimmel]

The cooking literature is actually quite conservative and prescriptive, i want inspiration not recipies to follow

Alex

Well, this isn't what you're looking for but I'll share it even so. A fellow by the name of Larry Russell developed a cookbook using what we would now refer to as TWClassic. It was a collection of recipes as much as anything else. I took his original and converted it to a more current version of TiddlyWiki and added some of my own recipes to the collection.

http://twcookbook.tiddlyspot.com/

[Duarte Farrajota Ramos]

A cookbook of procedures, rather than recipes, is quite an interesting idea.
Not much of a cook myself, not because I don't like it (I do actually enjoy it quite a lot), more because I rarely get the opportunity, so I don't have a lot of experience and... you get the neverending cycle.

Portuguese cuisine is rather rich diverse, probably one of the most I could definitely see myself using a tiddlywiki to gather recipes, maybe even set one up for my mom.

[Stephen Kimmel]

Portuguese cuisine is rather rich diverse, probably one of the most I could definitely see myself using a tiddlywiki to gather recipes, maybe even set one up for my mom.

I would be interested in hearing how that exercise went.  But completely aside from my personal interests, I think you should use it as an opportunity to preserve some of the hard-earned knowledge she's accumulated over the years. Our parents will all be gone someday.

And I'd be interested in trying some good home cooking, Portuguese style.

[Duarte Farrajota Ramos]

That would definitely be a worthy exercise. I have started collecting some recipes in the past, most from my grandmother's recipe book using TreeLine and plan to keep doing it, but many are in analog paper format, which is very time consuming
Tiddlywiki seems like a more versatile way display it, though some work setting up fields and display templates would be needed to achieve a more "structured" approach.

Just to open up your appetite: Bacalhau com Broa - Codfish with cornbread crumb crust (quite a tongue-twister in both taste and pronunciation eheh)

[Tobias Beer]

Gotta say, a few days ago I wondered how one would possibly declare ingredients on a per tiddler basis.

What I mean is, let's say there is Mac & Cheese tagged Recipe and then we have a tiddler called Cheese tagged Ingredient...

I guess to add a list of ingredients to Mac & Cheese so that one could later query for where ingredients are being used, one would actually have to create tiddlers for each recipe <> ingredient relation.

Perhap a cookbook is also a type off application were this "annotation" type of method as recently explored for youtube videos can work.

Instead of a timed-link, we would link to a step in the process or even more than that, also a component of the dish, e.g. a sauce.

Programatically speaking, a recipe tiddler could have...

• relations to ingredients
• specifying amounts being, e.g. 300g
• perhaps some additional note, e.g. "Gouda is perfect"
• perhaps an image for a related ingredient
• relations to components or "process sections"
• something like The Marinade whereas that would only be part of the dish, not the entire dish
• possibly just naming the ingredients being used in the text
• perhaps an associated image
• relations to steps
• descriptions for each step
• ordered, obviously
• perhaps an associated image
• (tagging) relations to recipe categories
• Desserts, Main Courses, Salads, etc..

All in all a highly interesting type of application to explore, I'd say.

Think of something like...

http://www.marions-kochbuch.de

...in a TiddlyWiki.

Best wishes, Tobias.

[Birthe C]

Hi Stephen
Nice to be reminded of Larry Russels cookbook. I remember that one very well. In TWc I ended up using another example from the same period http://no-sin.com/wiki/Recipies.htm. I liked the shopping list. I do use TW5 for recipes also, but nothing refined.

Birthe

[Tobias Beer]

Ok, now that was some serious over-complicated-engineering. ^_^

Here's a much simpler structure using basic tw constructs...

• recipe tiddlers
  
• tagging to recipe categories
• with an Ingredients section with
• simple links to ingredient tiddlers in the text
• thus providing backlinks to recipe tiddlers
• with a Preparation section with step by step instructions on how to do what
• perhaps some fields like difficulty (1-5), preparation (time), duration (time)
• recipe categories
• to know which recipe tiddlers are deserts , maybe also vegan
• ingredient tiddlers
• to list recipe tiddlers for carrots
• ingredient categories
• to list recipe tiddlers for pasta or veggies
• to list ingredient tiddles, e.g. all spices
• preparation methods
• for those who want to go all the way to becoming a chef
• to list recipe tiddlers linking to them
• as the instructions should tell in the Preparation section when to use the method

A conditional view-templates could easily

list the corresponding entries for the respective tiddler types,

main collections via tabs, e.g. "All Recipes Categories", "All Ingredient Categories".

Best wishes, Tobias. 

[Birthe C]

Hi Tobias
Relations to ingredients:
I wish for being able to write a shopping list for a given recipe, to be able to search for recipes using the ingredients I have in store. A way to register leftovers to make sure they are used in due time and hopefully inspire me in my use of them. The last part would be nice in to days economy, and far too much food not getting used.

I know I would not be able to create a TW5 like that, but hope someone would be tempted ;-)

Birthe

[Tobias Beer]

Now, why bother with defining all that?

Well, that would make sharing recipes a lot easier in the TiddlyCook community.

In fact, perhaps the use of tags should be discouraged and a cook field used, e.g...

• cook=recipe
  
• cook=recipe-category
• cook=ingredient
  
• cook=ingredient-category
• cook=method

And the corresponding lists...

• cook=recipe-list
• cook=recipe-category-list
• cook=ingredient-list
• cook=ingredient-category-list
• cook=method-list

Now, why use a cook field for that?

Consider multiple-languages

each with their own set of category tags.

Having a (hidden) cook field set to the type of the tiddler

will not only match the categories across languages correctly,

it will also make it easier to use the same templates,

and allow the user to name their category tiddlers or tags

whichever way they want.

Best wishes, Tobias.

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Birthe, 

 

Relations to ingredients:
I wish for being able to write a shopping list for a given recipe, to be able to search for recipes using the ingredients I have in store. A way to register leftovers to make sure they are used in due time and hopefully inspire me in my use of them. The last part would be nice in to days economy, and far too much food not getting used.

Using links to ingredients in a recipe tiddler you get the list of ingredients,

what you wouldn't easily get is the amount to buy, grmpf.

Perhaps we want some filter or widget that

• finds a link in a tiddler
• returns whatever text precedes the link in the line that isn't markup
• e.g. remove any preceding # * : ; etc...
• the result of this filter would then be used along with the ingredient name in whichever button creates the entries for the shopping list

Leftovers, puh, really? Full-blown inventory mgt? Like "What's in that freezer?" ^^

or "Don't add strawberries to the shopping list if there is still enough in the freezer?"

Thinks can get arbitrarily complicated, I presume. ^^

Best wishes, Tobias.

[Tobias Beer]

In fact, especially for cakes,

there have been some recipes floating about for a while

in emails (and who knows where else).

After all, a TiddlyWiki I'll be putting them into...

http://tobibeer.github.io/me/cook

Best wishes, Tobias.

[RickL]

Here is something I have been using and modifying for the past few months....nice for shopping list too.  Have a look journalexample.tiddlyspot.com

[Duarte Farrajota Ramos]

Wow that looks yummy. A bit too strong for breakfast for my taste, but that would make a wonderful lunch or dinner meal.
Really like how that cook book also generates a shopping list, pretty versatile.

[J Mc]

Hello RickL
I am interested in your journalexample.tiddlyspot.com
I would like to see how it could be used for shopping lists but the website is requesting a login and password.
Could you please post an example somewhere.

Thanks J Mc

[RickL]

Since your gmail address is in your response, I will pm you with my current recipes file. 

I have the recipes linked to the Grocery List tiddler which makes it easy to keep track and plan.

Take a look and let me know if you have questions.

Rick

[J Mc]

Thanks Rick,
I've got your TW now and will try it out and get back to you soon.

J Mc

[HC Haase]

I too want to keep some recipe in my TW5 and had a lot of the same thoughts (relation and structures) as discussed here. But landed at an simpler is better approach.

@Tobias Beer
I like your cook wiki layout. I tried to steal it, but cant figure out how.. How do you make the ingredients boxes? some viewTemplate? or custom css hidden some place?

I like that ingredient lists is nicely styled, but it is still marked up as a simple list (so it is useful if I some how break some stuff in my TW and have the raw tiddler text).

[Tobias Beer]

Hi HC Haase,

I like your cook wiki layout. I tried to steal it, but cant figure out how.. How do you make the ingredients boxes? some viewTemplate? or custom css hidden some place?

It's css and a get macro. You can find either by looking for $:/tags/Macro as well as $:/tags/Stylesheet in Adcanced Search System.

Best wishes,

Tobias.

[HC Haase]

Nice. thanks..
a question. why is it that new line or headers make a new separate box (why is it only lists that can be in the formatting)? can you maybe help me change that

thanks.

[Tobias Beer]

Hi HC Haase,

 

why is it that new line or headers make a new separate box (why is it only lists that can be in the formatting)? 

can you maybe help me change that

Because it's designed that way ;-)

Both ingredients and steps are lists, one unordered the other ordered.

What you can do is extend each step with more text, e.g.:

* 2 tb butter <<info "Fresh Butter">>

whereas...

\define info(tiddler)
<div class="info">

<$transclude tiddler="""$tiddler$"""/>
</div>

Or directly do:

* 2 tb butter <div class="info">

<$transclude tiddler="Fresh Butter"/>
</div>

...and then style your info bit appropriately.

Best wishes,

Tobias.