TiddlyWiki SO cool ...

[TiddlyTweeter]

https://youtu.be/3YHVC1DcHmo

Oh yeah

TT

[Darth Mole]

I have to admit..... I totally watched until he started dancing thinking it was a video about TiddlyWiki..... Like a 5.2.0 trailer type deal lol.

On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 5:04:50 PM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

https://youtu.be/3YHVC1DcHmo

Oh yeah

TT

[Charlie Veniot]

That would be a perfect theme song for TiddlyWiki.  Freedom for sure !

I find Jon Batiste one of the coolest guys.  Wonderfully talented and seems like a genuinely awesome human being.

[TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao cj.v...

Yeah. In the practicalities of dealing with code I think it is easy to forget/set-aside certain things,

The FREEDOM TW brings to dealing with information design and use is not shouted enough.

I'd love if the tool were more widely used. 

I'm thinking a bit here out loud.

How can we communicate better to potential end users its fundamental benefits?

Best wishes

TT

[TiddlyTweeter]

Footnote, cj.v...

Jon Batiste is certainly one great musician :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyds04mi_Z0 (JAZZ NIGHT IN AMERICA)

 TT

On Wednesday, 23 June 2021 at 03:47:15 UTC+2 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

[CJ Veniot]

Although I'm no fan of social media (Twitter, Instagram, Tik Tok, etc. etc.), my answer would be YouTube, Blogs and all social media options.

Via titles that equal use cases, and not titles about the product (well, with loads of metadata some somebody looking for TiddlyWiki, or TW, can find these social media jewels.)

So draw folk to the videos and such via problems that need to be solved, or approaches to doing certain things.

For example, thinking of the discussion about notetaking and notemaking.

Instead of a social media something like "Notetaking with TiddlyWiki", draw folk in with something like "Agile Notetaking" (well, some title that draws folk, in the spirit of whatever draws people to viral videos.)

So flood the media with marketing not of the product itself, but of the full breadth and depth of solutions that coincidentally are handled with TiddlyWiki align with whatever plugins when they apply.

As another example, my Le P'tit Aurèle project.  If I were to (when the project is ready) blitz social media with stuff related to that project, it would all be with titles that fall under an umbrella of "Constructing Comprehensive yet User-Friendly Multilingual Dictionaries"  (well, something sexier that can go "viral").  And every "post" to whatever social media would have a "by the way, this was built with TiddlyWiki."

If there are a ridiculous number of videos out there on how to do real-world good stuff and they all of the things done happen to be done with TiddlyWiki, I think that would grab some attention.

Something like that ...

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[TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao cj.v ...

Thanks for the detailed reply.

I basically agree with most everything you wrote.

One of the slightly odd things with TiddlyWiki is we got masses of great wikis about doing code in TiddlyWiki easily available.

BUT very few listed wikis of end-product applications.

That is likely much to do with fact TW design eschews being tracked by Google et al. 

Its sad we can't easily find wikis "in the wild." I don't actually know what has been made!

That is an impediment to being able to do a decent SHOWCASE of variant uses and applications suited to specific end purposes (other than coding TW for the pleasure of it) :-(

Best wishes

TT

[TW Tones]

TT,

Its sad we can't easily find wikis "in the wild." I don't actually know what has been made!

I too would like to see more in the wild however for myself a lot of my wikis are for personal organisation, and many are in different states of completion. They are a work in progress, the privacy or perfectionism desires stop them being visible to the world. I presently tend to share components rather than full wikis. 

One of my key realisations with tiddlywiki is it can be used as continuous improvement development platform, it responds to the way it grows, its past and the futures I imagine. Tiddlywiki is revolutionary and evolutionary.

Tones

[John D]

I can share mine : https://curatedvideos.github.io/

This wiki, as the name suggests, curates videos and channels from high quality content creators.

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[Charlie Veniot]

That looks really good.  Thanks for sharing !

[TiddlyTweeter]

Télumire wrote:

I can share mine : https://curatedvideos.github.io/

This wiki, as the name suggests, curates videos and channels from high quality content creators.

Very nice! As is the smaller French version ... https://perlesvideoludiques.github.io/.

One end-user comment. On the clever, on/hover, auto/dropdowns, maybe change from a bullet to a symbol indicating the item will expand? 

For instance in ... https://curatedvideos.github.io/#style ...

Thanks! 

Best wishes, TT

[TiddlyTweeter]

TW Tones wrote:

TT: Its sad we can't easily find wikis "in the wild." I don't actually know what has been made!

I too would like to see more in the wild however for myself a lot of my wikis are for personal organisation, and many are in different states of completion. They are a work in progress ...

Absolutely! That would include 98% of mine too.

BUT what I was trying to get at was that in order to make a SHOWCASE of decent end-application wikis all we need is, say, 50+ doing different/diverse things.

So I meant finished operational wikis that the user simply, basically, maintains.

That could form a stable resource base within which new users can see the range of what can been achieved with TiddlyWiki.  

Hope this is clearer!

TT

[John D]

Hello TiddlyTweeter,

You're right, I'm not very satisfied with the "popup on hover" functionality either. I thought it would be nice to have a preview before going on a tiddler showcasing a channel but there is no real way to control what will be displayed and where - I'm using the "appear" plugin from tobibeer. I think I will remove it for the time being, until I can figure out how to do a "expand to preview" functionality.

One thing I really want to do too is turning this tiddlywiki into a rss flux manager, to get notifications when new videos are available. For now I managed to get the latest video from creators thanks to the youtube playlist system but they could remove that at any moment so I'm eager to find a better solution. If anyone has any pointers in that direction, please let me know.

I also have a cooking book available online, but for now it's only available in french : tiddlycook.github.io

This one's more of a WIP and has not many features yet. I have plans for it though, once I get something more polished I'll share it here.

Thanks a lot for your input !

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[TW Tones]

TT,

To me there is little use just demonstrating (we can do that on a guided video) unless one can actually use it, if only to experiment, and not loose the changes at the end, ie without necessarily solving the save method for each new user.

Here I stray off topic in some ways, but yes, this demonstrates how much more cool tiddlywiki could be.

As a result I am working on using the local storage plugin and saving local storage locally (back up only). Never the less I am contemplating doing the following;

• Building a set of preconfigured tiddlywiki's "editions" and publishing them on my hosting platform, using tw-reciever (for me only) to make changes as needed. Then including my aformentioned Local storage -> backups/restore solution.
• Then I will create a range of subdomains for each public edition eg: PersonalGTD.colabteam.net streams.colabteam.net etc... with a set of plugins and some simple guidance.
  • Each subdomian can act as an address within which to keep you updates in the browser local storage, with backup/export/restore tools.
• For each wiki ensure there are a number of plugin libraries installed including one with test data to play with the that edition. Test data should be removable while keeping user content/changes.

The idea being we can share a url and someone can go and play and even use each edition, at that address, indefinitely. It could even be a publicly facing place to find editions or what are effectively whole wiki templates. 

It seems to me this kind of solution makes the benefits greater, thus justifying the effort.

Remaining issues for me to complete this are;

• I need to migrate my hosting service.
• Finish developing the aforementioned local storage tool.
• Find an easy way to filter tiddlers, generate and publish libraries (still a bit of a rabbit hole for me)
• Choose and build the various editions, and accompanying demo/test data and basic instructions.

I could always do with some help. Especially compiling plugins and functionality to include in various editions. 

Some editions?

• Code mirror plus tools for documenting code, highlight and free link plugins.
• Author tools including stream, print, export and custom markup for common elements.
• My current favourite that integrates, streams, projectify,  tiddlyTimer tools (Eric's collection), visual time line, the basket and bookmark macros (modified and extended)
• A personal use reference and bookmark library, ability to generate a published wiki from this.
• A Wiki to manage files and folders, apps etc... at least on  Windows desktop.
• Mobile ready editions where possible.
• A Scratch Wiki for dumping content
• A copy of tiddlywiki.com with user annotation and notes (to help learning)
• An edition for generating and distributing bookmarklets.
• Editions using different external commenting solutions
• JSON mangler import and export JSON, Word, CSV etc... for subsequent use in other wikis.
• FADS eg roam/gardening etc...
• Published Macro and plugin repositories.
• ....

In a somewhat selfish approach, everyone of these editions should represent some value to me, as a source of preconfigured wikis that I can quickly generate solutions on, to hopefully paying clients or as part of my IT Consulting services. I would love to be able to develop easy workflows to quickly deploy such editions on a host, perhaps on top of a cloud service provider, should any one suddenly become VERY popular.

Regards

Tones

Tones