Web annotation (slightly off-topic)

[Peter Miller]

One of the tools I've been looking at lately is http://hypothes.is which is a (potentially) collaborative web annotation tool -- there's no group structure at the moment so annotations are either global or private. The reason for posting here is that

1. It allows you to comment on Tw5 wikis BUT only on the default tiddlers or permaviews (Tw5 throws an error in Ff if you attempt to annotate a newly opened tiddler).
2. There is a small amount of project funding available http://anno.fund/
   

Could/should Tw5 play nicely in this space? Could Tw5 be used to collate annotation sets (a plausible project)?

[PMario]

Hi Peter,

The idea is interesting and the organisation behind hypothesis seems to be interesting too.
The vision video is great, but imo the implementation has some flaws atm. 

I have 3 major issues:

1) There is no official API to communicate with the service. .. At least I couldn't find one. ... TiddlyWiki is not a web page, it's an application. So TW needs to be in control of its content. ...

2)  To get the annotation working you need to call your own web page using theirs eg: https://via.hypothes.is/h/http://tiddlywiki.com/
So I pay for a nice domain name, just to get it hijacked. For my taste this behaviour is very aggressive.

3) IMO the TiddlyWiki workflow contradicts the annotations value.
TiddlyWiki is highly dynamic. For me tiddlers only make sense, if they are refactored (according to feedback)
If the tiddler content changes enough, imo the annotation linking mechanism doesn't work anymore.

Having a look at there roadmap it seems they see this problem. See: "Archive annotated pages, recover orphans" ...
They want to store the old version of a page ... Which is fine in the first view. ...
 - But what if the original content isn't licensed that way?
 - What if the author of the original content doesn't want this behaviour?

I really like the idea, to play nice with them but I have some concerns.
just my 2 cents.

have fun!
mario

[Peter Miller]

Thanks for the comment, Mario, and I appreciate your concerns. I was a fishing a little as I saw Jon Udell is working there now -- for folk of a certain age he gives the project a degree of credibility. As per his blog comments, I was thinking primarily of use with a class of students.

http://blog.jonudell.net/2015/03/22/annotating-the-web-my-new-job/

[Alex Hough]

I've started to think about annotation. In my TiddlyWiki, I found that I was using pretty links to annotate text. Annotations could be collected using filters of tiddlers containing pipe character

Alex

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[Jeremy Ruston]

Indeed, Jon Udell has a long history of interest in and reporting on TiddlyWiki, Smallest Federated Wiki and other collaboration tools. It's great to see him getting involved in a product, and I'll be very interested in the results.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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