TiddlyWiki Hangout #108 with David Gifford

[Jeremy Ruston]

TiddlyWiki Hangout #108 is now out, with special guest David Gifford:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvLHjwYJfA4

Dave demonstrates Stroll (and its precursor TiddlyBlink), his TiddlyWiki edition with features inspired by Roam Research. We see how Dave is using TiddlyWiki under Node.js to publish a static site from TiddlyWiki. Dave also shares a preview of some of his unreleased work.

Many thanks to Dave,

Best wishes

Jeremy.

[Birthe C]

Thank you so much to Jeremy and David,

Tiddlywiki is of course wonderful, but some kind of users need help seeing the beauty, and David has done a lot of work showing us.

https://www.giffmex.org/twfortherestofus.html sure helped me starting with TWclassic. The link collections and all the adaptations. So much more because we translated a lot of it for use on the Danish Tiddlyspace.

An upgrade killed Danish Tiddlyspace, and I felt "homeless". it was about the time TW5 was in Beta, so I started trying that out. I am not sure I really felt it compensated my feeling after loosing so many TWclassic wikis, but then David started creating the TW5 mall, a tutorial and much more and well it kept getting harder and harder to resist.

I remember David send Jeremy an enormous amount of questions, and then got on with the work of creating wikis to show us how it could be used.

Testing was also part of it, just look back at this thread https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tiddlywiki/PpJsdJr99n8/ilLnbPBRdvMJ

Jeremy surprised as the rest of us : "Bravo to Dave for trying this out - I feel the same pride as though I were watching someone drive a lorry over a bridge that I had carefully constructed for a horse to use."

That sentence is what I remember every time we discuss how big a tiddlywiki can be? - how many tiddlers? and all that.

Stroll is great and yet again David is the one getting many new users into using Tiddlywiki, Short time ago we even saw, that his son is using Tiddlywiki too.

I always felt that family and friends were the most difficult to get into using Tiddlywi.

Thank you David for all of the above, for Stroll and for being so well prepared for the hangout.

Birthe

[Mat]

In deed - thank you David and Jeremy! Beyond getting a feel for how people use TW and their reasoning, it is nice to see a face of someone you mostly just know as a name (...strangely I can't recall seeing David in any previous hangout).

"Bravo to Dave for trying this out - I feel the same pride as though I were watching someone drive a lorry over a bridge that I had carefully constructed for a horse to use."

HA! Dat funny!

<:-) 

[David Gifford]

Thank you Birthe for such kind words!

[David Gifford]

Mat, that's because I had hair in the old hangouts! :-) I have been shaving my head to avoid having to go to the barbershop during these pandemic times.

[Dave Parker]

Yes, Thank you Dave for sharing your excitement about tiddlywiki with the rest of us in the form of such complete and useful "Envelopes"!

And now that you've let the cat out of the bag, when can we expect to see a working version of that tight@# thing? :D

[Saq Imtiaz]

Thanks for the hangout Jeremy and David.

+1 for the need for highlighting dynanotate plugin 

I suspect most people aren't aware it even exists, let alone its potential for annotating notes and integration with search.

Well worth a peek at the examples tab at https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fdynannotate

A good demo is the e-book tiddlywiki implementation posted a while back.

With reference to TiddlyToolmap and also Streams performance, here is a test I did a while back with importing the toolmap into Streams:

https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams-tiddlytoolmap.html

Takeaways from this were:

• The need for expand/collapse all buttons
• Performance is pretty good with a large number of tiddlers
• Performance does suffer when opening a tiddler under which you have a huge number of nodes (tiddlers)e.g. the root TiddlyWiki toolmap tiddler. Having the nodes collapsed at start is a workaround.
• If you open sub nodes they load faster
• the performance hit comes from Streams and not TiddlyWiki itself.
• There shouldn't be any performance issues as long as you aren't adding a very large number of nodes to a single tiddler.

Note however that there is a lot of room for optimizing performance in Streams, it is an area I haven't focused on yet. There is a lot of complexity that comes from enabling/disabling drag and drop based on where in the hierarchy you are dragging from.

Thanks,
Saq

[Jeremy Ruston]

Thanks Birthe! Much appreciated, and charmingly put,

Best wishes

Jeremy.

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