Creator bug?

[Alex Hough]

When I go to TW.com and add my name in  Username for signing edits:

Then I open an existing tiddler and type {{!!creator}}, it renders my name.

I am clearly not the creator of the tiddler, have I found a bug?

Alex

[c pa]

>> I am clearly not the creator of the tiddler, have I found a bug?

You clearly are the only creator of that Tiddler that is available for the application to hang onto. Previously there was no name to put as the creator. Now that there is one available, the first editor becomes the creator.

[Alex Hough]

I see now....

I am writing ontop of TW.com, i wanted to get those tiddlers only created by me, clearly there is no creator field on many tiddlers...

Alex

On 19 January 2016 at 22:23, 'c pa' via TiddlyWiki <tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>> I am clearly not the creator of the tiddler, have I found a bug?

You clearly are the only creator of that Tiddler that is available for the application to hang onto. Previously there was no name to put as the creator. Now that there is one available, the first editor becomes the creator.

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[Scott Simmons (Secret-HQ)]

On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 5:42:32 PM UTC-5, AlexHough wrote:

I am writing ontop of TW.com, i wanted to get those tiddlers only created by me, clearly there is no creator field on many tiddlers...

Will a tiddler containing this do the trick?

<<list-links filter:"[creator[MyUsername]]">>

I don't think it will return tiddlers where the creator field is empty, and it should only return existing tiddlers you've edited since adding your username.

[PMario]

Hi Alex,

tiddlywiki.com is created with the command line version. No tiddler has a creator field set in the github repo, since Jeremy wants to hide the "creator / modifier" stuff in the tiddler toolbar.

See hangout 33: https://youtu.be/GEqXu6xay7M?t=4433 .. There is an other discussion somewhere ... but I can't find it :/

have fun!
mario

[PMario]

Found the commit, that is responsible for removing the initial creator and modifier fields. It was done for switching from alpha to version 5.0.2-beta.
-m

[Alex Hough]

@scot,

what happens is that all the stuff i have modified also turns up on the list.

if it exists someone must have created it?

Alex

On 20 January 2016 at 08:07, PMario <pmar...@gmail.com> wrote:

Found the commit, that is responsible for removing the initial creator and modifier fields. It was done for switching from alpha to version 5.0.2-beta.
-m

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[Tobias Beer]

Hi Alex,

 

if it exists someone must have created it?

While that is true, it does not mean that the tiddler form which the wiki was built has a creator field specified. I often deliberately delete it under node when I don't want any of that to show, including created/modified dates.

Best wishes,

Tobias.

[Alex Hough]

Thinking about my use case....

Could I create my own verison of TW.com with the creator field set to a value.

I am building a TW onto of TW.com, i find it easy to look things up and also make suggestions on GitHub.

I just need a way of distinguishing what I have created, and what I have modified.

Alex

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[Tobias Beer]

Hi Alex,

 

Could I create my own version of TW.com with the creator field set to a value.

I just need a way of distinguishing what I have created, and what I have modified. 

Once you make a copy and start using your username,

only those edits you made should show your username.

It seems trivial to list those. Are you stuck somewhere?

{{{ [modifier[Alex]] }}}

Best wishes,

Tobias. 

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Alex

Don't forget that the content of tw5.com is now available as a plugin in the plugin library. If you use that and then modify a tiddler it will show up as a non-shadow.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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[Alex Hough]

@Tobias,

The creator field changes to my name when i open a tiddler to look inside

@Jeremy, good idea.

One of the great things about a tiddlywiki is that you can download it and change it right away. I think there is a case for users being able to use TW.com in this manner. There's something releated to hypertext about the feature that you build ontop of an existing text.

Rather than installing a plugin, i think i'll probably still keep using TW.com for my experiments: its so easy like this --- go to a URL, start writing, then if you need to keep the stuff then save it...

Alex

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[Tobias Beer]

Hi Alex,

 

The creator field changes to my name when i open a tiddler to look inside

True, but it won't stay that way unless you actually save the tiddler. ;-)

Best wishes,

Tobias.

[Alex Hough]

I probably "click the tick" as a matter of habit,

Alex

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[Scott Simmons (Secret-HQ)]

On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 11:16:03 AM UTC-5, AlexHough wrote:

I probably "click the tick" as a matter of habit,

 

I'm guilty of doing the same.  :-(

It does seem like a bug that TW saves a creator value into a tiddler when it's only been modified.  Maybe worth a note on Github for a "someday" fix?

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Scott,

 

It does seem like a bug that TW saves a creator value into a tiddler when it's only been modified.  Maybe worth a note on Github for a "someday" fix?

That's true. If a tiddler exists, it should possibly only touch the modifier field. So, yes, I'd think you/we could/should raise a ticket.

Best wishes,

Tobias.

[Scott Simmons (Secret-HQ)]

On Thursday, January 21, 2016 at 4:02:15 AM UTC-5, Tobias Beer wrote:

 

That's true. If a tiddler exists, it should possibly only touch the modifier field. So, yes, I'd think you/we could/should raise a ticket.

Could I ask you to do that?  (I don't know my way around GitHub yet, but it looks like learning a bit about it will be the best way to report bugs and request features in a way that's manageable for Jeremy and TW contributors.)

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Scott,

 

Could I ask you to do that?  (I don't know my way around GitHub yet, but it looks like learning a bit about it will be the best way to report bugs and request features in a way that's manageable for Jeremy and TW contributors.)

So long as you're not actually coding, it's fairly trivial, I'd say even Pull Requests for changes to the documentation. Just register, star the TiddlyWiki project (also keeps you in the loop on what's being discussed / developed) ...and report what's in need of reporting (doing some preliminary search, though ;-).

Here's the issue:

#2246 creator and created must not be set when modified
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/2246

Best wishes,

Tobias.

[Scott Simmons (Secret-HQ)]

Thanks for popping in and doing that.

My reluctance is mainly that I don't want to duplicate reports or clutter up bug reports with feature requests.  I feel like I should spend (just a little) time paying attention to GitHub so as not to weigh down developers and contributors with hare-brained ideas.  (I'll save those for the Google Group!)

On Thursday, January 21, 2016 at 8:50:55 AM UTC-5, Tobias Beer wrote:

So long as you're not actually coding, it's fairly trivial, I'd say ven Pull Requests for changes to the documentation. Just register, star the TiddlyWiki project (also keeps you in the loop on what's being discussed / developed) ...and report what's in need of reporting (doing some preliminary search, though ;-).