alternatives to IntelliTaggerPlugin ?

[julien23]

Hi All

I have been using IntelliTaggerPlugin for a long time but I am looking for something lighter.

What alternatives would you recommend me ?

Thank you

Julien

[Arc Acorn]

How much lighter?

If you just want to strip a feature or two out of IntelliTagger it's pretty easy.

[Jan Johannpeter]

Hello.
I would recommend this plugin of Tobi Beer:
http://tbgtd-deutsch.tiddlyspot.com/#DeliciousTagging
It has several advantages:
-It has the possiblity to tag via a configurable popUp you acces via the
toolbar in the viewMode.
-It has dropdownMenus for different tag types.

-Jan

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[Jan Johannpeter]

Hi Julien,
Sorry, I confused the two tagging-Plugins tbGTD. The features described
above are in the x-taggerPlugin
http://tbgtd-deutsch.tiddlyspot.com/#x-tagger.

-J

[julien23]

I will triy them out, I'll let you know...

regards

[PMario]

On Monday, October 28, 2013 9:47:38 AM UTC+1, julien23 wrote:

I will triy them out, I'll let you know...

 

http://tagsearchplugin.tiddlyspace.com/ is the successor of x-tagger plugin
-m

[Tobias Beer]

Actually, to see a working demo (as also referenced in the includable plugin on TiddlySpace), see here...

http://tagsearch.tiddlyspot.com

Among other things, you'll also find it in the TiddlySpace where I try to keep up documenting / referring to documentations of my stuff...

http://tobibeer.tiddlyspace.com/#TagSearch

Tobias.

[Jan Johannpeter]

Hello Mario, Hello Tobi...
I just upgraded to TagSearch because I liked the new possibilities of Configuration and the sticky behaviour...

But I can just see a narrow empty box without functionality in my toolbar, whilst macros embedded in Tiddlers are working.
Could it be possible to embed the macro in the editToolbar

I put this into
my toolbarCommands |~ViewToolbar| +editTiddler +closeTiddler +collapseTiddler tagSearch|
and this into my zzConfig: config.macros.tagsearch.cfg.toolbar="source:'x-tagger Konfiguration##Tags' label:'Typ' exclude:'systemConfig' nomore nosearch mode:'>1' ";

Can you tell me what is wrong.

Thank you very much...
Jan

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[Tobias Beer]

Mhhh, from a first glance your configuration looks about right. Feel free to send me a copy of your wiki or create a Minimal Test Case (MTC) and up it to Dropbox etc... and I'll take a look.

Tobias.

[Jan Johannpeter]

Hello Tobi,
Thank you for thos generous offer. I created a link pointing to the Tiddlers relevant for TagSearch on the startpage...https://www.dropbox.com/s/ohd75dkt2ykr3c8/DS%20Arbeitsfassung.html
Thanks a lot Jan

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Jan,

I am a bit confused why your tiddlers would show x-plore in EditMode. TagSearch seems to work just fine in ViewMode. So, not quite sure I understand your actual troubles. So far, both, TagSearch (x-tag) and x-plore have been designed to only work in ViewMode.

If what you desire is for TagSearch to work in EditMode then that would be a feature request and something I'd have to do some investigation on in terms of what hooks I need to leverage to make that happen. Perhaps that's actually rather a simple bit of code.

On the other hand, would the GTD-style adaptation of DeliciousTagging as in tbGTD perhaps be the better option for EditMode?

Tobias.

[Jan Johannpeter]

Hello Tobias.
I would be delighted  if I was able to show your great Tagging-Addon in the EditMode.
This would have two big advantages.
-I would prefer to have a slim toolbar in the ViewMode.
-In the EditMode users are more aware of the relevance of tags. As I would like to share the collection I am doing with other users, I would prefer if only those who knew what tags do touch them.

the xplore-Toagging furnishes  information which is especially valuable while I am editing ( tiddlers linking and tagging to the tiddler), so I would like to have the button to display it there.
Shall I post a feature request for these whishes?

I don't know whether TagSearch really works in my TW- The Span called "Typ" you see on the left of the toolbar is still produces by the the x-tagger-plugin, the button for TagSearch at the moment is placed on the right of the Toolbar.
I wanted to change to TagSearch because of the better possibilities of configuration and because of the sticky behaviour which would be very practical when meditating about a set of tags.
I have already tried to implement the Tag-Dropdown-Menu of Delicious Tagging but it would not work-That ist to say it produced a long field of all my tags.  I thought it needs prefixes to function correctly.

Thanks again
Jan

[Tobias Beer]

I would be delighted  if I was able to show your great Tagging-Addon in the EditMode. This would have two big advantages.

- I would prefer to have a slim toolbar in the ViewMode.
- In the EditMode users are more aware of the relevance of tags. As I would like to share the collection I am doing with other users, I would prefer if only those who knew what tags do touch them.

I see, use tagging but only have it visible as needed.

 

the xplore-Tagging furnishes information which is especially valuable while I am editing ( tiddlers linking and tagging to the tiddler), so I would like to have the button to display it there. Shall I post a feature request for these whishes?

I see, this makes sense. Whil I just added an issue here...

https://github.com/tobibeer/TiddlyWikiPlugins/issues/68

...it turns out you were not using the latest version of x-plore as can be found at...

http://tbgtd.tiddlyspot.com/#x-plore

So, it looks like that version does work properly in EditMode.

 

I don't know whether TagSearch really works in my TW- The Span called "Typ" you see on the left of the toolbar is still produces by the the x-tagger-plugin, the button for TagSearch at the moment is placed on the right of the Toolbar.

I see, mhhh. I have no idea why the tagSearch toolbar command fails to find the handler. Perhaps you have some legacy CoreTweaks or such installed that prevents the tagSearch toolbar command from working properly?

 

I wanted to change to TagSearch because of the better possibilities of configuration and because of the sticky behaviour which would be very practical when meditating about a set of tags.

Sure. As a workaround, if I add this in the toolbar section in the ViewTemplate of your SmartTheme it works fine...

<span macro="tagsearch source:'TagSearchConfig##Tags' exclude:'' label:'tags▾' tooltip:'Set tags by category' nomore toolbar"></span>

I have already tried to implement the Tag-Dropdown-Menu of Delicious Tagging but it would not work-That ist to say it produced a long field of all my tags.  I thought it needs prefixes to function correctly.

Actually, you don't need prefixes. All you should have to do is to point to the tag category section such as TagSearchConfig##Tags using something like this in a zzConfig...

config.macros.deliciousTagging.catList = 'TagSearchConfig##Tags';

Tobias.

[Jan Johannpeter]

Hello Tobi.
Thanks for your great support. Now the two plugins work wonderfull.
I can only recommend TagSearch for everybody with a systematic Set of Tags.

One Small wish is left. It would be wonderfull it was possible to set an order in the pop-up.
For your usecase of tbGTD the current order which is produced by the alphabetical order of the is very comfortable.
For those who don't want to add a prefix for readability reasons, it would be a nice alternative to be able to order them in the TagSearchConfig.

Again Many thanks
Jan

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Jan,

Thanks for your great support. Now the two plugins work wonderfull.
I can only recommend TagSearch for everybody with a systematic Set of Tags.

Great news! ;-)

One Small wish is left. It would be wonderfull it was possible to set an order in the pop-up.
For your usecase of tbGTD the current order which is produced by the alphabetical order of the is very comfortable.
For those who don't want to add a prefix for readability reasons, it would be a nice alternative to be able to order them in the TagSearchConfig.

This has been discussed by PMario a while ago. Personally, I don't see that as a functionality of TagSearchPlugin. Instead, what you want in order for a consistent experience is to always retrieve those tagging tiddlers in your custom order whenever a plugin or the core asks for them, i.e. also in the sidebar.

So what is needed is some code that hijacks store.getTaggedTiddlers() and returns them based on some sort criteria rather than the current core mechanism for that. I imagine there could be a order.tagging field at the tiddler being the tag holding the information of all tiddlers that actually have been ordered, with all new and unordered ones being put at the end.

There could be some UI in the EditTemplate. For starters, this field could be all manual and populated with current tags when opening the tag in EditMode. This means, that at the point where you want a custom order, your tag definitely needs to become a tiddler and not just be a tag.

For example you the UI could show a number next to each tag...

[X] Tagging Order (Enable / Disable)

[1] Foo
[2] Bar
[3] Baz

Changing the number for Bar from 2 to 1 would resort the list and save the order.tagging field as follows...

[[Bar]] [[Foo]] [[Baz]]

Saving changes to this field could be generally ignored so long as you have not modified it yet, i.e. you don't care about defining a custom order. So, hitting the enable / disable button would not only toggle a panel showing the numbering but essentially remove the order.tagging field unless you specifically want it.

Anyhow, this code is out of scope for TagSearchPlugin and should be something for a new plugin perhaps called TagOrderPlugin.

Extending this functionality to tags via some order.tags field (and not only order.tagging) would also remedy the fact that, due to indexing purposes, tags in TiddlySpace are always stored alphabetically, which sometimes really is not what you want / need... and actually broke some of the now outdated behaviour of ColoredLinksPlugin (being replaced by PaintrPlugin).

Tobias. 

[Jan Johannpeter]

Hi Tobi,
Thanks again, I think I will need some Time to digest this. So far I dont know how to create a field and how to edit it...
I will have to learn this first. Because I am quite consumed by my work this may take a week...
Jan

[Jan Johannpeter]

Hello Tobias,
I got  a question about your suggestion:
Is this something I can do individually just by editing the EditTemplate or is it a general propositions for the developpement oft TWC which needs programming in the core?
Could this be done by an orderTagsplugin? If this was possible, it would be very usefull new feature.

Another question regarding the TagSearchPlugin: Do you think you could make it work in the EditMode or is this problematic for the mechanism it sets Tags with?

Again thanks for your great support.

Jan
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Am 08.11.2013 07:52, schrieb Tobias Beer:

[Tobias Beer]

Hello Tobias,
I got  a question about your suggestion:
Is this something I can do individually just by editing the EditTemplate or is it a general propositions for the developpement oft TWC which needs programming in the core?
Could this be done by an orderTagsplugin? If this was possible, it would be very usefull new feature.

This is not something you can just set up as a user, it would have to be a new plugin being written ...the idea behind which I have sketched above as a reminder on what could be implemented if one wanted this.

Another question regarding the TagSearchPlugin: Do you think you could make it work in the EditMode or is this problematic for the mechanism it sets Tags with?

As I said, I'll need to look into both the core and plugin code and figure out the appropriate "hooks" to make that work. In other words, this also requires some development yet to be done.

Here's a ticket I have created for myself as a reminder for this...

https://github.com/tobibeer/TiddlyWikiPlugins/issues/52

Tobias.

[Leo Staley]

Would you mind putting this into the documentation on the tagsearch.tiddlyspot website, that it won't work in edit mode? I feel like it would be a useful bit of info to have there. 

Cheers!

Leo