Tab key

[f7o7]

There is a setting to either insert tabs or use the Tab key to jump to
the next field. Is there a way to do both using keyboard? I like to
have tabs in the wiki source for formatting, but also try to minimize
mouse usage.

[Simon Baird]

That's a good idea. How about Ctrl-tab does the opposite of what tab does? Ticket-worthy??

Simon.

simon...@gmail.com>

[FND]

> That's a good idea.

Agreed; a solution would be welcome, even if it was some awkward key combo.
That'd certainly beat firing up a text editor, inserting a tab there and
copying it to the clipboard for use in TW...

> How about Ctrl-tab does the opposite of what tab does?

Don't break my tab-switching key combo please! (Firefox user here)

-- F.

[Jeremy Ruston]

It seems as though shift-tab wouldn't clash with any of the standard
browser keyboard shortcuts but that probably needs further
investigation. I've added a ticket:

http://trac.tiddlywiki.org/tiddlywiki/ticket/300

Cheers

Jeremy

--
Jeremy Ruston
mailto:jer...@osmosoft.com
http://www.tiddlywiki.com

[FND]

> It seems as though shift-tab wouldn't clash with any of the standard
> browser keyboard shortcuts

Im afraid it t would; while TAB cycles forward (e.g. from the address
bar to the search bar), SHIFT+TAB cycles backward (from the search bar
back to the address bar)...

I'd vote for F1; who needs help anyway? ;P

-- F.

[f7o7]

I'd vote for Ctrl-Tab, the tab switching in Firefox can be done by
Ctrl-PgDn/Ctrl-PgUp. But then I don't know what is handling the keys
first, i.e. if Ctrl-Tab is implemented in TW, would it override the
Firefox's default key binding?

[FND]

> I'd vote for Ctrl-Tab, the tab switching in Firefox can be done by
> Ctrl-PgDn/Ctrl-PgUp.

You'd better not get on my bad side here, buddy! ;)
Seriously though, it'd be bad style to overwrite any existing
functionality, especially if it's as heavily used as CTRL+TAB.
And just for the record, CTRL+PgUp/Dn is a somewhat awkward combination
and requires you to take the hand off the mouse.

-- F.

[David Shaw]

CTRL+TAB is a fairly standard way of introducing tabs into text fields
when TAB is being used to move focus between fields. Firefox's use of
it to switch between tabs is unfortunate but non-standard (so far as I
can see). It should certainly be taken into consideration, but should
not be allowed to dictate any final choice of key combination, should
this functionality be implemented in TW.

Some use of the TAB key to insert a tab character does seem fairly
logical, to me at least :-)

And as to having to take your hand off the mouse to use CTRL+Pg Up/Dn,
you could always learn to use the right hand CTRL key - it's quite easy
to do, on my laptop ;-)

David Shaw

[FND]

> CTRL+TAB is a fairly standard way of introducing tabs into text fields
> when TAB is being used to move focus between fields. Firefox's use of
> it to switch between tabs is unfortunate but non-standard (so far as I
> can see).

Actually, since I've started using Firefox (ages ago) I've noticed that
CTRL+TAB works in quite a number of applications - which was a surprise
to me then as well. (Unfortunately, I can't really think of any
particular app right now... )

> And as to having to take your hand off the mouse to use CTRL+Pg Up/Dn,
> you could always learn to use the right hand CTRL key - it's quite easy
> to do, on my laptop ;-)

I did in fact consider RCtrl; that's why I didn't write "you have to use
both hands". But I have to admit that I didn't consider using the left
hand for the right side of the keyboard *shudder* ...

Either way, if a majority of TWiddlers thinks CTRL+TAB is acceptable,
I'll just have to hack my personal TW to fix that for me - no big deal.
(See, I'm not an ignorant zealot after all! ;) )

-- F.

[f7o7]

How about Ctrl-Alt-Tab then?

[Daniel Baird]

On 17/02/07, David Shaw <djs...@classicfm.net> wrote:
> Firefox's use of
> it to switch between tabs is unfortunate but non-standard (so far as I
> can see).

Ctrl-Tab is standard MS Windows navigation -- Alt-Tab to switch
between applications, Ctrl-Tab to switch between documents in a single
application.

Recent versions of MSOffice have messed around with the idea of a
"single application", but that's because Microsoft never follow their
own policies :)

I'd prefer to go with something like Ctrl-Alt-Tab or whatever, and
leave Ctrl-Tab with it's normal functionality.

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[David Shaw]

Daniel Baird wrote:
> On 17/02/07, David Shaw <djs...@classicfm.net> wrote:
>
>> Firefox's use of
>> it to switch between tabs is unfortunate but non-standard (so far as I
>> can see).
>>
>
> Ctrl-Tab is standard MS Windows navigation -- Alt-Tab to switch
> between applications, Ctrl-Tab to switch between documents in a single
> application.

Fair enough - I'm a Linux user, so wouldn't know about anything MS does
(or, at least, wouldn't *admit* to knowing ;-) )

Looks like CTRL-ALT-TAB has the vote :-)

David Shaw

[Samuel Reynolds]

At 11:18 AM 2/16/2007, you wrote:
>CTRL+TAB is a fairly standard way of introducing tabs into text fields
>when TAB is being used to move focus between fields. Firefox's use of
>it to switch between tabs is unfortunate but non-standard (so far as I
>can see). It should certainly be taken into consideration, but should
>not be allowed to dictate any final choice of key combination, should
>this functionality be implemented in TW.

Funny, I thought that *was* the standard.
It's used by Firefox and IE (I think) browsers to
switch between tabs.
It's used by Eudora to switch between open windows.
It's used by TextPad to switch between open windows.

I think that MS Word uses Alt-Tab to insert a tab in
a table cell instead of jumping to the next cell.

Please *don't* make it Ctrl-tab; I use it a *lot*,
as I practically *live* in TextPad and Firefox.

- Sam

[f7o7]

Well, that was fairly easy to implement. See how to here:
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=2753594#2753594
I chose Ctrl-Tab since I'm not using that for anything else.

By the way, I tried a few extensions for mouseless browsing,
eventually removed them all except keyconfig. Keyconfig lets me create
key bindings for things that are normally only accessible by mouse,
like Back/Forward dropdown (Alt-Down) or "List all tabs" dropdown
(Ctrl-Down). That and built-in "find-as-you-type" feature (/ or ') are
all I need to navigate most of the web without reaching for mouse.