Drag-and-drop in Vivaldi

[si]

I recently went back to the Vivaldi browser, and I noticed that drag-and-drop functions of TiddlyWiki don't work properly. If you go the "Open" tab (or click on a tag pill) and try to drag something, it either doesn't work or creates a new tiddler with some crazy html as the title.

Does anyone else get this with Vivaldi? It's a shame because it has some nice TW-friendly features, so I wondered if there was a fix out there?

[Soren Bjornstad]

I've never used Vivaldi with TW because I have other plugins that interfere with TW, so I've always done TW in a separate browser – so never noticed this before. But on checking, it does not work for me either.

I've found that at least on my machine, you have to drag in an up or down direction, rather than a left and right direction, to get Vivaldi to start dragging at all...but then it usually does not display the "drop here" item anyway.

[stan...@gmail.com]

si, I use Vivaldi on my MacBook Airs (11 in (Mojave) and 13 in (Big Sur)), as well as a Ubuntu 18.04 Linux box.  

The peculiar thing is that I have been able to drag and drop many plugins, except that I have not been able to drag and drop the Kookma library to a Tiddlywiki hosted on Fission.  However, I could drag and drop the Shiraz plugin to the Fission TW.  I have TW on Gitlab and Tiddlyhost, with no drag and drop problems.

Do you have any extensions running on Vivaldi?

Stan

[si]

Thanks for the replies. I forgot to mention that I'm running Windows 10 and Timimi.

>>> I've found that at least on my machine, you have to drag in an up or down direction, rather than a left and right direction, to get Vivaldi to start dragging at all...but then it usually does not display the "drop here" item anyway.

@Soren I hadn't noticed this but yeah your right. It seems that often I am dragging slightly to the side, inadvertently highlighting some of the text because the mechanism isn't working, then dragging the highlighted text. This creates a tiddler with a bunch of html in the title ("<div class=......etc").

>>>The peculiar thing is that I have been able to drag and drop many plugins, except that I have not been able to drag and drop the Kookma library to a Tiddlywiki hosted on Fission.  However, I could drag and drop the Shiraz plugin to the Fission TW.  I have TW on Gitlab and Tiddlyhost, with no drag and drop problems.

@Stan I don't have any problems with installing plugins via drag-and-drop, I'm only noticing problems with re-ordering lists (like when clicking on a tag pill). I've not run TW on Fission or Tiddlyhost though.

>>> Do you have any extensions running on Vivaldi?

I do but tried it with a blank profile and the problem persists. It seems like there's just something weird about Vivaldi, though I thought it was still based on Chromium.

[stan...@gmail.com]

Thanks for the additional detail, si.  Now I understand your problem better - I thought the issue was drag and drop for installations.   I will have to try out re-ordering a list to see if I can reproduce the behavior.   Can you easily provide example instructions? Maybe we can rule out Windows as being part of the problem. 

You are right, Vivaldi is based on Chrome, as is Brave.  I dropped Brave as there were too many times when button activation didn't work.   

Stan

[si]

@Stan I don't think its a Windows problem, because IIR Soren doesn't use Windows. There's not much to add in the way of instructions:

1. Open Vivaldi and go to tiddlywiki.com

2. Click on one of the links in the "open" tab, and try to drag-and-drop to reorder them. I find that it only works if I am careful to drag the link on a strictly vertical plane. If Idrag it slightly to the side it doesn't work. Same is true for other lists, like the ones you get when you click on tag pills.

This seems to happen in any wiki that I try.

[stan...@gmail.com]

@si - I did a quickie here.  I am sitting at my MacBook Air (11in, Mojave).  Followed your instructions and had no problems reordering the "open" list.  I did not have to be careful about dragging the link - in fact, I made a point of dragging at an angle and didn't have a problem. I've been able to do this several times now.   I did not experience the horizontal/vertical problem that Soren described. 

Stan

[si]

@Stan OK thanks. I just tried updating the newest Vivaldi but the behaviour I described remains. Hopefully someone else will see this thread and give it a try so we can get more info.

@Soren What OS did you use to test it?

[stan...@gmail.com]

@si, I am curious about something -- how long do you hold down the mouse key before you drag and drop? I can get different behaviors depending on the amount of time I hold the key pressed before dragging.  

I'm grasping at straws, you know.   

I am running Vivaldi 3.6.2165.40 (Stable channel) (x86_64)

Stan

[si]

I guess usually just a fraction of a second, but trying varying lengths just now it doesn't seem to affect the behaviour in any way.

[stan...@gmail.com]

So very strange.  I was wondering what was captured as a mouse event.  What I've been trying, say with the open list, is to try a long press on a ink and then trying to move it.  I can move any of the links left/right/vertically/diagonally without an issue.  I wish I could help.

I have a Lenovo T440 Windows 10 laptop in my home office downstairs that I will have to set up, try and report back.  

Stan

[Soren Bjornstad]

I’ve tested on both Mac (Catalina) and Manjaro Linux.

I seem to be able to reorder things in a drag-and-drop list (e.g., a tag pill) as long as I start my drag from the right of the text. If I grab the text, then sometimes I get an an HTML dump showing up in the list. But I can’t make it happen consistently. Like Stan, I was also not able to find a problem with dragging in the open list specifically, but I do have the horizontal/vertical problem on both machines.

I tested again and this time I was able to copy a tiddler between wikis by dragging and dropping into a different tab. I’d thought I wasn’t able to do that before either, but evidently that was wrong.

[trend]

Hi si,

I use Vivaldi on Windows 10 together with TW5. I did notice the behavior you're describing. Couldn't find a fix for it. 

Although I must admit once you know you can only start dragging vertical it's not such a big deal (for me anyway).

The pros of working with Vivaldi, in my case, outweigh the cons.

Best of luck

Trend.

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