[tw] Missing Feature for TW in educational contexts: Mechanism for posting Tiddlers to a server.

[Jan]

Hi,
about a week ago Tom posted a link to this TiddlyWiki
https://tritarget.org/
I was fascinated seeing this, because it seems to be a further puzzelstone in making TW a brilliant tool for education.
So far TW lacks the possiblity to gather responses in form of Tiddlers via the internet by a simple mechanism. - which is a pity because this would be the easiest form of reintegrating answers into the TW.
 (Of course you can export .json-files and send them by Email...but for pupils this appears to be two steps too much...)
As far as I think tritarget.org seems to have found a solution.
Alas I do not know
-whether I am right in this assumption, and if I am right
-how this is performed.
-how to configure it for personnal use?

Can anyone answer these questions?

Thanks Jan

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[Tom Bardout]

Hi,

Since that post, I found soemthing even better. Take a look at this

With this, I was able to use seamlessly integrate Google forms into Tiddlywiki with the added benefit that it takes the tiddlers refrence.
take a look

Since i'm trying to create a collaborative database on Architecture, I decided to use google sheets as the database. It uses the xlsx plugin devellopped by Jeremy Ruston to inegrate the full database in mear seconds (once configured properly that is ;) )

The site give a dynamic way to visualize all that data through the tiddlymaps, tiddlytimeline, leaflet maps, ... plugins. This is what you can see in the snippets from my tiddlywiki site.


People can view it and use the form to send new content to the database which can, in turn be uploaded again the site to display the new content.

This is all still under heavy devellopment but most of the core functionnality is in place. At this point, i'm concentrating on the google sheets functions to have a fully automated database that makes entering data as easy as possible.
I'm trying to make this as modular as I can so that simply changing the category names from "Architects" and "stuctures" to "Autors" and "Book" or anything else really, will convert this database to any new need. The tiddlywiki system only intervenes in end-user dynamic visualization while the content that can be plugged into it stays seperate in a excel. Through this, I hope to encourage other people to take part in this project.

I'm curious about what your specific plans and ideas of using tiddlywiki for educational purpouses are :)

[Jed Carty]

I also made some tools for pulling data off of the google sheets to go with that. I only made it to pull a the specific things needed for the twederation stuff I was doing, but the widget shouldn't be too hard to modify. You can see it here http://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/TWederation/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2FFederation%2FTWederation%2Faction-requestdata.js or here on GitHub https://github.com/inmysocks/TW5-TWederation/blob/master/TWederation-listing/javascript/action-getdata.js

Hopefully that will be useful to you.

[Jan]

Hi Jed, Salut Tom,
thanks for your answers,
I know Mat's Google Spreadsheet Plugin and I liked it so much, that I made a modifikation to integrate it into my MetaTabs-Addon, to open the commentfield not in a popup but in a bigger tab below the Tiddler...
http://SlidesNStories.html#About this Mod of TWaddle's GComment. I even made a Mod to insert data by prepopulating the fields vía the address.
Yet I think it would be great if I could send an existing tiddler to a server vía a button. http://tritarget.org/ seems to achieve this...
 
I would like to be able to code a view-template where Tiddlers tagged "anwer"(or so) would have a button to send them in to a server. For your example Tom Students would get the task to do research o an Architect as a prefabricated Tiddler containing for example also date-fields, they would fill in the fields, and you would be able to display it on the timeline without having to do a lot of work. A big advantage would be that students would not have to post immediately -like they would have to do with the spreadsheet technique and they just would have to be online for sending in the Tiddler...

Yours Jan

Am 21.01.2017 um 20:42 schrieb Jed Carty:

I also made some tools for pulling data off of the google sheets to go with that. I only made it to pull a the specific things needed for the twederation stuff I was doing, but the widget shouldn't be too hard to modify. You can see it here http://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/TWederation/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2FFederation%2FTWederation%2Faction-requestdata.js or here on GitHub https://github.com/inmysocks/TW5-TWederation/blob/master/TWederation-listing/javascript/action-getdata.js

Hopefully that will be useful to you.

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[Jed Carty]

You can use google forms to send data to sheets and then use something like the widget I made to pull that data from sheets. 

The way that I made it work with TWederation is to have a tiddler that has a known set of fields, then I used the action-submitform widget I made to send that tiddler to google sheets. You can use this to do what you are talking about where students could fill in a from and save a tiddler locally then submit it whenever they are online and it is convenient.

Then the teacher or whoever is going to be looking at what is submitted could either just use google sheets, or use the action-getdata widget I linked to before to pull the submitted data off of google sheets and create tiddlers using it.

The action-getdata widget will probably need some changes to work exactly the way you want but it shouldn't take too much tweaking.

[Jed Carty]

Sorry, I forgot to actually put in the link there. 

Action-submitform widget: https://github.com/inmysocks/TW5-TWederation/blob/master/TWederation-discussions/javascript/action-submitform.js

Action-getdata widget: https://github.com/inmysocks/TW5-TWederation/blob/master/TWederation-listing/javascript/action-getdata.js