From Classic to TW5 as a website

[RC]

Dear all,

First of all many thanks to all those conributing to TiddlyWiki and to helping out lost users!

I admit I'm pretty lost having apparently read too much. !

My case may contribute to the reflection on whether TW5 is accessible to newbies!

Situation:
I've been running 2 TWClassics as websites on Tiddlyspot (thankyou Tiddlyspot!) for several years.
See for example https://groupesp.tiddlyspot.com

I don't have a domain space (but maye I'll have to change this) or private server.
I'm on Linux Mint Debian + Firefox.

Since the Firefox upgrade, these sites cannot be extended (AFAIK... tell me I'm wrong please).

I didn't upgrade to TW5 as  I'm at the limits of my time/knowledge already, but now I'm having to look around for a solution. Either I create a standard website or I adopt TW5. The learning curve seems to me shallower on TW5.

When I consider opening a new TW5 on Tiddlyspot and copy-pasting/adjusting text from my Classics to TW5, I stumble across all this talk about saving methods.

Question:
- Is it as simple as that (copy-pasting to an empty.html and adjusting as necessary)?
- Can I import all those settings (background colour, sidebar, hide this or that) which I added years ago and have since forgotten?
(I think that's "No" as not all plugins are compatible. How do I identify the essential config changes I made in case I wish to reproduce them?)
- Will TiddlyDesktop get me out of the mire?

It's strange that the line "Create a blog or website" in "Some of the things you can do with TiddlyWiki" on tiddlywiki.com doesn't link to an explanatory tiddler with examples. This fuels my doubts.

Many thanks for any feedback and all the best for 2018!
Robert

[TonyM]

Robert,

To start this conversation can I suggest the key reason to look at saving methods is for updates, if your websites are read only to visitors you can just choose the appropriate save method to edit your website and upload it to tiddlyspot or any other host. If visitors do not need to save, tiddlywiki's html file can be hosted almost anywhere.

There are plenty of free or cheap hosting options I can even host (in Australia) for you or provide a free/or small donation subomain eg groupesp.online121.net groupesp.colabteam.net

Your Questions (quick responses)

1. Not as far as dynamic features lists etc... but as textual content mostly
2. No not really but new and better options exist in TWC, maybe time for a website refresh? Especially to become mobile enabled "responsive"
3. TiddlyDesktop will let you locally edit and save TWC and TW5 

There is refactoring of documentation in the works, new tools maturing and plenty of published editions you may use as a starting point. All I can suggest is search in this forum, ask more detailed questions here, follow links you come across especially in tiddlywiki.com and you will get your answers.

One suggestion at this point of your enquiry is to spend a couple of hours exploring the tiddlyverse and don't get bogged down in a single edition or solution yet, keep making a broad sweep of what is available and at the end of your research you will be much better informed.

Regards

Tony

[Mark S.]

What do you mean by "cannont be extended" ? My understanding is that everything is pretty much normal on tiddlyspot. It's only local file saving that needs new work-arounds.

-- Mark

[RC]

Many thanks Tony for all the suggestions and offer.
- and thanks to Mark for the reply - for Mark the anwer is here :
https://tiddlywiki.com/static/Firefox%2520Apocalypse.html

I'll digest that and follow up the lines of investigation suggested.

Some explanations, in case it completely changes your advice...:

- Yes, the sites are read-only, for public information (latest news + documentation), but updated regularly.
- To avoid (my perceived) complications, I change the sites online and click "save to web". Since a recent Firefox upgrade this is no longer possible ("apocalyse"). I presume this save-to-web problem remains if I work offline and then upload. 
- I've got TiddlyFox installedl.

Where I am confused probably is on the distinction between 'TW local' & 'TW on the web'. Reading the doc (on TiddlyDesktop for example) it's not clear to me if I can save to the web with the various methods for saving changes proposed

I'll continue this post in-line...

On Monday, 1 January 2018 01:02:47 UTC+1, TonyM wrote:

Robert,

To start this conversation can I suggest the key reason to look at saving methods is for updates, if your websites are read only to visitors you can just choose the appropriate save method to edit your website and upload it to tiddlyspot or any other host. If visitors do not need to save, tiddlywiki's html file can be hosted almost anywhere.

Despite 'apocalypse'?

 

There are plenty of free or cheap hosting options I can even host (in Australia) for you or provide a free/or small donation subomain eg groupesp.online121.net groupesp.colabteam.net

Thank you. I'd better look locally!

Your Questions (quick responses)

1. Not as far as dynamic features lists etc... but as textual content mostly

1. No not really but new and better options exist in TWC, ?????
   

Typo? TW5?

OK I've understood the rest of your ideas and will follow up.

Many thanks again Tony

all the best for 2018

Robert

 

[RC]

On Monday, 1 January 2018 02:11:07 UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:

What do you mean by "cannont be extended" ? My understanding is that everything is pretty much normal on tiddlyspot. It's only local file saving that needs new work-arounds.

Thanks Mark

I can't "save to web" anymore in TWClassic, presumably following the changes to Firefox as explained in my reply to Tony.

I'm sure Tiddlyspot is still OK; just can't get there!

I never use a local file. I work online, save to web and download regularly as backup. Maybe that's my problem...

all the best

Robert

[Jed Carty]

If you don't use local files than the changes to firefox are not the problem. They only affect local files, nothing else.

[TonyM]

Robert,

There is no apocalypse, it was averted. Lots of new options available for saving and hosting now even for TWC, Sorry for the typo - yes TW5 has lots of advantages, 

You can only use tiddlyfox if you are using FireFox ESR or versions less than v57, it also clashes with some other solutions.

Yes, if someone uses tiddlywiki classic in one specific way and is not aware of the other options, it will feel like the loss of tiddlyfox in forcing a change on you. But it is just a mater of adapting, perhaps for another 5 or 10 years?

Best Wishes

Tony

[Mark S.]

The aFOXaclypse shouldn't affect saving on TiddlySpot. Check that you your settings in "save" are correct. Check your javascript console for error messages.

Good luck,

-- Mark

[Michel Ayotte]

I use Firefox3.6 (off line) de PortablesApps à travers Q4wine, all extension works!