NoteStormProject

[Måns]

Hi TwWizards

I've taken the liberty to merge Dave Gifford NoteStorm with Morris
Grays Project Manager made for his TWT-TreeView..
They are both very simple tools and I think they match very well..

I've added a few other goodies as well..

You can judge for yourself (click edit in the sidebar to get all
options ):

http://notestormproject.tiddlyspot.com

Regards Måns Mårtensson

[Morris Gray]

Well done Måns.

Now all you need is the TWTExecutive ColorPalette and you're on your
way to putting TWT Executive back together again:-), and change the
name to TWT NotesShowerProject :-) :-) :-)

TWTExecutive
Background: #222
Foreground: #666
PrimaryPale: #333
PrimaryLight: #555
PrimaryMid: #888
PrimaryDark: #555
SecondaryPale: #ddd
SecondaryLight: #666
SecondaryMid: #222
SecondaryDark: #555
TertiaryPale: #555
TertiaryLight: #555
TertiaryMid: #999
TertiaryDark: #333
Error: #f88
Link: #ccf
Button: #ccf

Morris:-)

[Måns]

Thanks Morris

I've got two questions for the CSS professor:
1) How do I make TiddlersBars colors to refresh (show new colors when
selected with <<selectPalette>>)?
Now I have to save/upload and reload ...
2) My treeview in the mainmenu has some odd extra graphics when viewed
in IE 6:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1064531/NoteStormTree%20in%20IE6.png
As you can see the problem dissapears when I add an extra
subsubtopic...
http://notestormproject.tiddlyspot.com/

YS Måns Mårtensson

[Måns]

Hi TwWizards

Riddle - What's new?
Check out NoteStormProject:
http://notestormproject.tiddlyspot.com/

The TopMenu looks almost normal - but look behind the scenes - ..
check out "search" - for instance..
Click Edit online in the sidebar for all options.. Click newNote in
SideBarOptions and in the mainMenu..

Regards Måns mårtensson

On 26 Nov., 13:05, Måns <humam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Morris
>
> I've got two questions for the CSS professor:
> 1) How do I make TiddlersBars colors to refresh (show new colors when
> selected with <<selectPalette>>)?
> Now I have to save/upload and reload ...
> 2) My treeview in the mainmenu has some odd extra graphics when viewed
> in IE 6:http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1064531/NoteStormTree%20in%20IE6.png
> As you can see the problem dissapears when I add an extra

> subsubtopic...http://notestormproject.tiddlyspot.com/

[Dave Gifford - http://www.giffmex.org/]

Hi Mans

Some very nice changes to NoteStorm. So does working on PStorm make
you "Rain Mans"? :-)

Feedback:

I especially like the right arrow for hiding/showing the sidebar. If
you could get the left arrow to match it, it would look nicer. I may
just incorporate that feature into NoteStorm in mid-December when I
get a little vacation time. Anything to reduce clutter without
reducing functionality is a big plus in my book.

I also like the backgrounds, which I saw earlier but couldn't access
online. Maybe you should have links to examples of each background so
we can see them online before downloading the file.

I searched for the word "menu" in the search window, and it said that
the tiddler menu doesn't exist yet. So it didn't call up MainMenu or
anything else. I would say that is a weakness. TW's search has always
been a drawing point, and you are weakening it.

I also like the no new updates since your last visit. I may use that,
translated to Spanish, for another project I am doing.

I haven't played yet with the print html thingy, but it looks very
promising for the same project. Hmmmm...

Might you make PStorm's default colorpalette to be the one you have
added, so viewers will distinguish mine from yours more quickly?

Separate treeviews for topics and notes seems redundant. What are you
thinking the difference to be?

Also, why have the Topics and Notes tiddlers visible as the first
level of the treeview menu of their respective tabs? Topics and Notes
are already mentioned in the names of the tabs, so you are cluttering
the treeview screen real estate with an unnecessary first level. Is
there a better way to do that?

English translation for the newNote popup?

Anyway, please take my comments as a compliment to your great
improvements to NoteStorm, creating a great new TW in its own right.
Blessings,

Dave

[Måns]

Hi Dave

Thanks for the detailed and gererous feedback - I apreciate it very
much and feel encouraged to make it better.

> the right arrow for hiding/showing the sidebar. If
> you could get the left arrow to match it, it would look nicer.

Could you provide a screenshot? My arrows are identical.

>
> I also like the backgrounds, which I saw earlier but couldn't access
> online. Maybe you should have links to examples of each background so

It's not my customized backgrounds - they ware already in NoteStorm
when I started cutomizing it.
However I've put Erics PaletteEditor in the sidebar and you can select
palettes even if the wiki is readonly

> I searched for the word "menu" in the search window, and it said that

I think I've solved it... I had imported Mikes zconfigs for search and
they might have conflicted with zzconfigs..
1)Try to click the text "Search" in the TopMenu
2) Write a search expression in the searchbox and click downarrow - to
select from dropdown via GoTo

> I also like the no new updates since your last visit. I may use that,
> translated to Spanish, for another project I am doing.

You are welcome :-)

> I haven't played yet with the print html thingy, but it looks very
> promising for the same project. Hmmmm...

I can't live without it.

> Might you make PStorm's default colorpalette to be the one you have
> added, so viewers will distinguish mine from yours more quickly?

Have I made changes to your colorpalette? - I didn't know - please
tell what I've changed?

> Separate treeviews for topics and notes seems redundant. What are you
> thinking the difference to be?

I'm not sure - I'll have to think about that..
I've added the option to remove tabs by untagging tiddlers with
MainMenu (Erics ShowTabsForTags)

> Also, why have the Topics and Notes tiddlers visible as the first
> level of the treeview menu of their respective tabs? Topics and Notes
> are already mentioned in the names of the tabs, so you are cluttering
> the treeview screen real estate with an unnecessary first level. Is
> there a better way to do that?

I need the links.

> English translation for the newNote popup?

Done

> Anyway, please take my comments as a compliment to your great
> improvements to NoteStorm, creating a great new TW in its own right.
> Blessings,
>

Thanks :-)

Regards Måns Mårtensson

[Morris Gray]

On 29 Nov, 09:35, "Dave Gifford - http://www.giffmex.org/"

<giff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Some very nice changes to NoteStorm. So does working on PStorm make
> you "Rain Mans"? :-)

Good one Dave, you are proof that God has a sense of humour:-)

Ah yes Måns you are in the eye of the storm... a RainMån firing
cannons of TiddlyWikis into the air to create the Perfect Storm. Can't
wait to see the polished version. (And for those with a urinary bent
of mind a propensity that even exceeds Dave's for interestingly named
TiddlyWikis:-)

Blessings,
Morris:-)
P.S. Apologies to Dave, and everyone, for my weakness for creating
puns;-)


On 29 Nov, 09:35, "Dave Gifford - http://www.giffmex.org/"

[Heller]

Mans,

The background 'tag tiddler with paper1' etc is not working together
with twocolumns...
It then only displays a single tile of background instead of spreading
it over the whole tiddler...


Nice work, this is really going to be a very nice adaption...

RobV

[Måns]

Hi Heller

> The background 'tag tiddler with paper1' etc is not working together
> with twocolumns...
> It then only displays a single tile of background instead of spreading
> it over the whole tiddler...

This happens when a tiddler is tagged paper1 *and* Note...
However if you tag a tiddler "Note" *and* "noteit" the latter takes
precedence and You'll get a yellow notepad background..
I'm not sure why -
The white notepadbackground is written as ".postitwhite {" in the
stylesheet - and is invoked through a custom viewtemplate as a viewer
- like this: <div class='viewer postitwhite' macro='view text
wikified'></div>

It think I might change the "div[tags~="paper1"].tiddler .viewer" to
".paper1 {" and make a dedicated viewtemplate for each of the
backgrounds (still invoked by tags)... Maybe then it even will work in
IE6 ?

> Nice work, this is really going to be a very nice adaption...

Thanks - I hope so.
Thanks for the feedback
It's the cleaning up which is the most difficult part for me - so
please
- if you have more comments - also addressing clutter and what to
leave out, I'd apreciate it.

Regards Måns Mårtensson

[Dave Gifford - http://www.giffmex.org/]

@Mans

The colorpalette I was referring to is MyColorPalette, which in your
initial screen says you added.

Regarding the arrow, I am using Google Chrome in Windows Vista. When I
open the tiddler, the arrows are identical. When I look at it in the
header, the left arrow looks thin and ugly whether it is pointing left
or right. The right arrow looks thin and ugly when pointing right, but
thick and healthy when pointing left. Don't have a clue as to why that
would be.

@Morris

urinalotta trouble for that pun....but then again, how about:

"PStorm, now with 'streaming' video..."
"PStorm, after you've had too much Javascript"

Dave

[Måns]

Ha ... suddenly I realized what you are talking about... :-)

In Denmark we had a very gifted painter, writer, actor and inventor
called Storm P (1882-1949)
He was most famous for his ingenious and funny cartoons.

"His humor is based on the disparity between the small problem to be
solved and the often incalculable problem-solving, in the form of a
complex engineering design - also called a *Storm P.-invention*."
He would most certainly have loved TiddlyWiki had he lived in our
time.

I will call it Storm P
- or does it give latrinear associations as well?

Regards Måns Mårtensson

On 30 Nov., 12:06, Morris Gray <msg...@symbex.net.au> wrote:
> On 29 Nov, 09:35, "Dave Gifford -http://www.giffmex.org/"

>
> <giff...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Some very nice changes to NoteStorm. So does working on PStorm make
> > you "Rain Mans"? :-)
>
> Good one Dave, you are proof that God has a sense of humour:-)
>
> Ah yes Måns you are in the eye of the storm... a RainMån firing
> cannons of TiddlyWikis into the air to create the Perfect Storm. Can't
> wait to see the polished version. (And for those with a urinary bent
> of mind a propensity that even exceeds Dave's for interestingly named
> TiddlyWikis:-)
>
> Blessings,
> Morris:-)
> P.S. Apologies to Dave, and everyone, for my weakness for creating
> puns;-)
>

> On 29 Nov, 09:35, "Dave Gifford -http://www.giffmex.org/"

[Måns]

> "His humor is based on the disparity between the small problem to be
> solved and the often incalculable problem-solving, in the form of a
> complex engineering design - also called a *Storm P.-invention*."

http://www.thyteater.dk/gl/ftp00115/images/TPK%202002/stormp.gif
http://www.scorpmeister.dk/gammel/billeder/stormp.gif
http://www.skoveniskolen.dk/media/GP_stormP_citronpresser_500p.jpg
http://images.guloggratis.dk/1/25894801_588_1700.jpg
http://www.industrikultur07.dk/Files/Billeder/storm%20p/300x400/Elektrocykel.jpg

Måns

[Morris Gray]

On Nov 30, 11:56 pm, Måns <humam...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I will call it Storm P
> - or does it give latrinear associations as well?

Unfortunately 'latrinear' is not a participle of latrine.

(sic. latrinear) meaning: 'Fan palms of the southern United States
and the Caribbean region.'

It is the 'P' that waters down the title;-) (Albeit fans would be
appropriate after a P Storm:-) .reverse() is also true.

Morris:-)

[Eric Shulman]

> In Denmark we had a very gifted painter, writer, actor and inventor
> called Storm P (1882-1949)
> He was most famous for his ingenious and funny cartoons.
>
> "His humor is based on the disparity between the small problem to be
> solved and the often incalculable problem-solving, in the form of a
> complex engineering design - also called a *Storm P.-invention*."
> He would most certainly have loved TiddlyWiki had he lived in our
> time.

Similarly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rube_Goldberg

Reuben Lucius Goldberg (July 4, 1883 – December 7, 1970) was an
American cartoonist, sculptor, author, engineer and inventor. Goldberg
is best known for a series of popular cartoons he created depicting
complex devices that perform simple tasks in indirect, convoluted ways
– now known as Rube Goldberg machines.

-e

[Måns]

My Storm P etude could turn out to be a Goldberg variation then? :-)

Måns

[Måns]

Now TreeManager is working from a custom Viewtemplate.
It doesn't write code into the tiddler anymore and that leaves a clean/
empty textarea for editing..
http://notestormproject.tiddlyspot.com/#TreeManager

regards Måns Mårtensson

[BC]

Måns ,
Just curious -- but why do you want people to click twice just to
close a tiddler? And why *two* "more" (and less) buttons? Having only
one command followed with "more ... more ..." seems a little awkward
to me.

And forgive me, but I may just be missing the intention of the
project, but in a working copy of the (Storm P or "Pstorm"?!) --
will all tags be hidden? In the notes you have there at the moment,
tags are only visible when editing. Will some tags (for "topics") be
visible, and "meta tags" (?) for other purposes be hidden (that would
be cool -- I'd like to be able to do that with my tags, divide them
into visible tags and "phantom tags" that readers needn't be concerned
with. I don't know how to do that. Can tags be tagged (?) to keep them
out of the tag box?
And this makes me feel really dumb, 'cause I must have missed
something obvious, but I didn't see any button for simply creating a
new tiddler.

I love the "there is one unsaved tiddler" message -- very cool.

It's very intriguing and I look forward to seeing it shape up the way
you envision it.

- BC

[Måns]

Hi BC

> Just curious -- but why do you want people to click twice just to
> close a tiddler?  

It's a matter of trying to eliminate a habit and unclutter the toolbar
leaving space for other buttons with more dedicated functions.. There
are allready three ways to close a tiddler with one click:
1) click the x in the tab
2) click Home to close all and open defaulttiddlers.
3) Close All in the TopMenu

>And why *two* "more" (and less) buttons? Having only
> one command followed with "more ... more ..." seems a little awkward
> to me.

Yes I know - it's a matter of priority and "working at one level at a
time".
I considered removing buttons all along - but when you are working in
the toolbar allready, I find it to be convenient to get the extra
options 'en passant'..

> And forgive me, but I may just be missing the intention of the
> project, but in a working copy of the (Storm P or "Pstorm"?!) --
> will all tags be hidden? In the notes you have there at the moment,
> tags are only visible when editing. Will some tags (for "topics") be
> visible, and "meta tags" (?) for other purposes be hidden (that would
> be cool -- I'd like to be able to do that with my tags, divide them
> into visible tags and "phantom tags" that readers needn't be concerned
> with. I don't know how to do that. Can tags be tagged (?) to keep them
> out of the tag box?

It's the general idea. - There's the tagDB tiddler which I will use as
a container for either:
1) The tags that should be accessible from the tagger pulldown *assign
parent topics* ▾
2) The tags that shoulden't be accessible from the tagger pulldown
*assign parent topics* ▾

> And this makes me feel really dumb, 'cause I must have missed
> something obvious, but I didn't see any button for simply creating a
> new tiddler.

Again it's a matter of priority - there are already several ways to do
it:
1) Doubleclick on the tiddlersBar (which I prefer)
2) Use *create subtopic notes* or add:»subtopic or newNote

> I love the "there is one unsaved tiddler" message -- very cool.
> It's very intriguing and I look forward to seeing it shape up the way
> you envision it.

Me too :-)

I will reflect on your questions and try not to make it too different
from a "normal" TW..
Maybe the different custom ViewTemplates should have different
ToolBarCommands as well ... and avoid the "double" levels of More/
Less...

Regards Måns Mårtensson

[Eric Shulman]

> I love the "there is one unsaved tiddler" message -- very cool.

Thanks, that's one of mine:
http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#UnsavedChangesPlugin

-e
Eric Shulman
TiddlyTools / ELS Design Studios

[Måns]

> Thanks, that's one of mine:
>    http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#UnsavedChangesPlugin

If you look at plugins backstage you will find that most of the
plugins are from

Eric Shulman
TiddlyTools / ELS Design Studios

;-)

Even my modified TopMenu is a modification of StoryMenu from Erics
"basic" quickstartdocument.

Regards Måns Mårtensson

[BC]

> If you look at plugins backstage you will find that most of the
> plugins are from
> Eric Shulman
> TiddlyTools / ELS Design Studios

but of course,the brickmakers are as esteemed as the bricklayers :-)
(and the designers of the brickmaking tools, and the architects, and
one hopes all people who will eventually be happily living in these
structures, some oblivious of the bricks and mortar, others renovating
to their heart's content. It's all good.)

Better and better for me: I see from the documentation to
http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#UnsavedChangesPlugin that there's also a
Trash plugin!
Yay, another thing to cross off my huge list of things to google or
ask about here. Way to go Eric and Ido.
http://www.tiddlytools.com/#TrashPlugin

Thanks to all
-BC

[Måns]

Just realized that I should explain the use of TreeViews

> And forgive me, but I may just be missing the intention of the
> project, but in a working copy of the (Storm P or "Pstorm"?!) --
> will all tags be hidden? In the notes you have there at the moment,
> tags are only visible when editing. Will some tags (for "topics") be
> visible, and "meta tags" (?) for other purposes be hidden (that would
> be cool -- I'd like to be able to do that with my tags, divide them
> into visible tags and "phantom tags" that readers needn't be concerned
> with. I don't know how to do that. Can tags be tagged (?) to keep them
> out of the tag box?

The TreeViews *are* showing tagrelations - downwards.
If you tag a tiddler with "Tree" it will turn into a TreeManager and
appear beneath the Tree treeview in the MainMenu.
The title will turn into a TreeView and you can access tiddlers tagged
with its title..
Same is true with Projects (they will appear beneath the Projects tree
in the Mainmenu though) and Topics (they will appear beneath the
Topics tree in the Mainmenu).

I've added the TagsDB functionality to include or exclude tags from
the tagger dropdown- read more here: http://notestormproject.tiddlyspot.com/

Regards Måns Mårtensson

[iain]

Mans,

the link you gave in my last post causes a major problem for FF for
me. I click on it and I get a brief message about transferring and
then everything freezes. Does anyone else have this problem??

I would like to see what you are up to.

Regards

Iain