TagglyTagging display manipulation in MPTW?

[David Masterson]

I've been using MPTW as a very nice tool for collecting projects and
planning them (thanks, Simon). I find the use of "New Here" to be a
great way to build hierarchies of information (as in projects,
subprojects, ...). The report at the bottom of each tiddler showing
the list of tiddlers tagged with the current tiddler name is very
useful for simple hierarchies. However, I don't see a way of
manipulating the format of that report and I'd like that option.

In particular, I might use "New Here" to create a project in a
specific category (as represented by a tiddler) and I might do this
over and over until I have a lot of projects built up. As I work on
and finish the projects, I might tag them as "Finished" to show that I
finished them, but I still have the information in the MPTW for later
reporting. My problem is that the project still shows up subproject
of the category and, so, is still part of the "number of subitems"
next to the category in the report at the bottom of the parent of the
category tiddler.

I'd like to be able to control the number that shows up next to each
tiddler listed in the list of tiddlers that are tagged with the
current tiddler. Can that be done?

[PMario]

I don't have a solution, but may be a work around.

eg: TagglyTagging sitemap

project 1 (3)
- task 1
- task 2
- project 1 - done

existing tiddlers: task 1, task 2, and [[project 1 - done]] are all
tagged [[project 1]].

if task 1 is done, you change its tag from:
[[task 1]] .. tagged [[project 1]]
to:
[[task 1]] .. tagged [[project 1 - done]]

which looks like this in sitemap.

project 1 (2)
- task 2
- project 1 - done (1)
- task 1

The only disadvantage is that the minimum number for a project is (1).

project 1 (1)
- project 1 - done (2)
...

have fun!
mario

[PMario]

There is one more thing, which would be nice with this system.

[[project 1 - done]] .. tagged done
[[project 2 - done]] .. tagged done

the done tiddler will hold

- done

- project 1 - done (1)

- projcet 2 - done (7)

which IMO is a nice overview.

-m

[David Masterson]

Thanks for the input. I'd kind of thought of this approach (you're a
little more detailed than my thought), but I rejected it as I thought
it would get messy to deal with a DONE tiddler for every project (as
well as STARTED, NEW, DROPPED, etc., not to mention priority tags and
so on). The other approach I'm looking at is TiddlerListMacro as it
supports finding tiddlers having a mix of tags, but it doesn't
integrate with the TW sitemap.

I wonder if there is a plugin for the sitemap..?

[PMario]

Hi David,
You know, that there are several GTD systems out there.
eg: mGSD [1], tbGTD [2] and some more.

just to mention it :)

-m
PS: I had an idea, with MPTW & tagsplorer in combination with
tagsearch plugin. But needs some time. I'll post a link.

[1] http://mgsd.tiddlyspot.com/#mGSD
[2] http://tbgtd.tiddlyspot.com/#desk

[PMario]

Hi David,

> ... but I rejected it as I thought

> it would get messy to deal with a DONE tiddler for every project (as
> well as STARTED, NEW, DROPPED, etc., not to mention priority tags and
> so on).

As I said allready, there are some gtd systems out there :)

But I created a "little" meshup [1] at tiddlyspot, because I thought
tagsplorer, could be fun to use with this type of TW.
I combined MPTWs TagglyTagging, TagSearchPlugin [2], TagsplorerMacro
[3][4] and several others [6] with one of my TW themes [5].

If you want to list a tiddler in the top section, just tag it:
"topList".

Start here: http://a-project.tiddlyspot.com/#Project to explore the
stuff.

have fun!
mario

[1] http://a-project.tiddlyspot.com/
[2] http://tagsearch.tiddlyspot.com
[3] http://svn.tiddlywiki.org/Trunk/contributors/FND/plugins/TagsplorerMacro.js
Tagsplorer in action: [4] http://tiddlyweb.peermore.com/wiki/#Navigation
[5] http://a-project.tiddlyspot.com/#TWTopListTheme
[6] http://a-project.tiddlyspot.com/#GettingStarted

[Alex Hough]

Mario,

I like it a lot. Its a good combination of Macros

Alex

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[passingby]

PMario, thats a very professional looking mashup which you did in no time. Did you use your generators for this?

[PMario]

@Alex, @passingby,
thx :)

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On May 15, 3:06 am, passingby <passingby...@gmail.com> wrote:
> PMario, thats a very professional looking mashup which you did in no time.

I wouldn't say "no time", but I think it was fast :)

> Did you use your generators for this?

Partly yes. I did the layout some time ago allready for my teamwork
hoster place [1]. (MainMenu: select theme: TWTopListTheme to see it).
There was some tweaking needed. The freestyle generator, I used to
create exactly this layout is public, but not userfriendly :).

But it is very similar to my nostalgia [2] theme. I'd suggest to use
nostalgia, if you want to have a similar theme. nostalgia is IMO a
little bit more advanced, and cleaned up. It also works with
tiddlyspace.

Messing around with the themes you can use the freestyle generator
[3]. Have a look at the intro videos first [4]

-mario

[1] http://hoster.peermore.com/recipes/TeamWork/tiddlers.wiki
[2] http://nostalgia.tiddlyspace.com/

[3] http://freestyle-nostalgia.tiddlyspace.com/
[4] http://freestyle.tiddlyspace.com/#Intro_Video

[Jan Johannpeter]

Hallo
is there a way to override the PageTemplate and suppress TiddlyTagging
in certain Tiddlers. A macro perhaps?
I have several Table of contnet Tiddlers in which I would like to avoid
them because it would just double the information of the stuctured Table
of content and thus irritate.

Thanks for helping Jan Johannpeter

PS: I would also like to eliminate the backstagebutton in printview.

[HansBKK]

Using HideWhenPlug allows you to show/hide template elements based on tags.

I believe you've already got it in use in MPTW; if so, search in the source for existing examples to copy/adapt.

http://mptw.tiddlyspot.com/#HideWhenPlugin

[Jan Johannpeter]

Hallo Hans, thanks for the hint to use the Hidewhen Plugin!
So far my attempts to wirte the correct syntax didn't work

<div macro="hideWhenTagged Verzeichnis OR Kategorie"><div class='tagging' macro='tagging'></div>

Can you tell how this should be written.
PS: I am Using Mineral Theme

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[PMario]

On Jun 23, 10:27 pm, Jan Johannpeter <lasjoht...@googlemail.com>
wrote:

> Hallo Hans, thanks for the hint to use the Hidewhen Plugin!
> So far my attempts to wirte the correct syntax didn't work
>
> <div macro="hideWhenTagged Verzeichnis OR Kategorie"><div class='tagging' macro='tagging'></div>

hideWhenTagged doesn't understand OR, but ther is a hideWhenTaggedAny
function

hideWhenTaggedAny Verzeichnis Kategorie

should work. You need to test it.

> Can you tell how this should be written.
> PS: I am Using Mineral Theme

Just an Info to be sure. Since you use a Theme, you have to change the
PageTemplate section in your themes tidder. Changing the PageTemplate
shadow tiddler wont work.

[HansBKK]

Like PMario said 8-)

I'd also suggest simplifying your taxonomy by representing with single (maybe compound) tags those concepts you want to use at such a fundamental "meta" level, e.g. Verzeichnis_Kategorie

And I wouldn't dare suggest to Eric that MatchTagsPlugin somehow be made able to work with HideWhen.

PS thanks for the Firebug tip, I'd try to get a round tuit real soon. . .

[PMario]

On Jun 24, 7:20 am, HansBKK <hans...@gmail.com> wrote:
> And I wouldn't dare suggest to Eric that MatchTagsPlugin somehow be made
> able to work with HideWhen.

:) I think the other way around would make more sense. I have to say I
didn't test it with MatchTagsPlugin installed. May be it allready does
the trick. But it would need to dig a bit into the core.

Also hideWhen and showWhen can introduce a security issue with
TiddlySpace. So I think, it will need some tweaking in the future
anyway.

-m