[Off Topic] Why I Like OLD firefox

[@TiddlyTweeter]

I'm slowly moving from FF 52 to the WebExtensions version.

There are still two things very easy in the old FF I use a lot that I can't find new equivalents for...

Easy ability to launch multiple profiles (ProfilistPortable add-on) ...

Split in browser (TileTabs add-on) so you can drag & drop between sections ...

My question: Does anyone know of alternatives for WebExtensions?

Any help appreciated.

Best wishes
Josiah

[TonyM]

Josiah,

The latest version includes a new feature to have a set of tabs in the equivalent of different profiles. Have a look at the release notes and that will be clear.

I have noticed new functionality comming on line in addons that was missing. Our very own tmimi replacing tiddlyfox is a case that demonstrates it.

Im not so sure what the second plugin does.

Also looking at how tmimi works I belive it will soon produce a lot of great tools.

Regards
Tony

[TonyM]

Post script,

I now do much of my drag and drop from and to wikis using iframes in tiddlers or by dragging a tab to a new window on my multi screen setup.

I am confident you can also put a wiki in the side bar as well

Tony

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Im not so sure what the second plugin does.

It sections the browser window so tabs become sections that you can d&d between.

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Thanks TonyM.

I will take a closer look.

The latest version includes a new feature to have a set of tabs in the equivalent of different profiles. Have a look at the release notes and that will be clear.

I part delayed as I want the solutions before I bother transferring. I don't like being the "experiment" :-) On FF I just seek solutions.

 

Also looking at how tmimi works I believe it will soon produce a lot of great tools.

FWIW, Riz is the first FF programmer I have seen solve the file saving issue for FF. Its a good sign.

[@TiddlyTweeter]

TonyM: Im not so sure what the second plugin does.

Josiah: It sections the browser window so tabs become sections that you can d&d between.

There IS a WebExtensions version of TileTabs but its messy as it needs too many browser instances. At the moment: "Using the new WebExtensions API's, it is not possible to display multiple pages simultaneously within the same browser window."

[@TiddlyTweeter]

TonyM: The latest version includes a new feature to have a set of tabs in the equivalent of different profiles. Have a look at the release notes and that will be clear.

I couldn't find anything coming that looks easy to use :-(.

A  plugin that "contains" a web page so it its sandboxed is one plus point though--meaning I could login to several different Twitter accounts within the one browser. But flexible launch of profiles like I currently have seems some way off.

Josiah

[Jim]

I have been using (getting used to) Firefox Multi-Account Containers which allows you to have different accounts assigned to color-coded tabs.  It doesn't use Firefox Profiles, but the result is similar.  You can setup a container for each of your gmail accounts for example and have them each open in a tab.  Long-click the "add a tab" button to select the account the new tab is opened for.

[TonyM]

See as Jim pointed out Firefox Multi-Account Containers

Tony

[TonyM]

Also,

This may be what you want for the other issue

Tile Tabs WE by DW-dev

Featured ExtensionFeatured Extension

Take tabs from parent windows and arrange them in layouts of tiled sub-windows, using the toolbar button, context menu or keyboard shortcuts. Makes it easy to browse, compare or monitor multiple pages. Synchronize scroll. Save and re-open layouts.

Note: Yes you can force them back into tabs.

Regards

Tony

[PMario]

On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 12:53:43 PM UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:

There are still two things very easy in the old FF I use a lot that I can't find new equivalents for...

Easy ability to launch multiple profiles (ProfilistPortable add-on) ...

I think there is no alternative atm. The possibilities to store and load content from the user file-system are very limited. There are some discussions going on to improve file-access, but IMO this will need at least 2 years from now, to be usable.

Split in browser (TileTabs add-on) so you can drag & drop between sections ...

I think, this should be possible, with the help of the browser sidebar, where you can load a second TW. There are also some new possibilities using the browser clipboard. ...

I just don't know any addOns that use those features ;)

have fun!

mario

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Thank you TonyM, Jim & PMario for good tips!

Josiah

[Mark S.]

Remind me, what is the benefit of having so many profiles?

You could have multiple shortcuts on your desk top, each which launches with a different profile.

-- Mark

[Mark S.]

At the risk of getting on topic, has anyone made an editor template that would allow editing in a separate window? Being able to easily keep notes off to the side while using the full editor toolbar could be useful in many note-taking situations.

-- Mark

On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 3:53:43 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:

[Jed Carty]

Mark,

Using Bob you can have the same wiki open in multiple tabs so you can have multiple windows and edit a tiddler in one and see the results immediately in the other.

It also lets you edit or create tiddlers using an external text editor. It isn't exactly the same it may be helpful.

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Mark

Well I think my profiles work okay. I do want to only do money (SPONDULI) occasionally, securely. NET & NEWS is necessary to keep up with gossip. FILM is my specialist sector and its for reviewing work. LINGO is my stranded lost forays into better Italian. ARBEIT is co-ordination. GEP is a special project on Great Expectations with many facets. TW5 is you.

I think the underwear of usage has significance. My FF profiles work well.

Josiah

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Jed, it is absolutely true that Bob's flex has helped me cope with the demise of old FF. Simple saving. Can be any instance in any browser. Its the Master Chef. 

For finished GROUPING I trend to prefer TiddlyDesktop. It more conservative. More like a Digestive Biscuit.

[Mark S.]

But what happens inside each profile that's so distinctive? Different default tabs?

Thanks

-- Mark

[Mark S.]

But the tiddler would be wrapped with the entire browser window include open tabs, bookmarks, plus all the decorations (sidebar) of TW. What I would like is to simply edit a tiddler like a post-it or Tom Boy note, and park it and maybe a couple others off to the side.

BTW, does Bob still require you to have external files in a named "files" directory?

Thanks!

-- Mark

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Its partly volume. I don't want to work in a browser with 60+ tabs. Its partly that I evolved it slowly & it works in those categories. The distinctions are in the descriptions I gave before. Dealing with a bank is totally different for me than discussing Bresson's film PICKPOCKET.

[Jed Carty]

Mark,

You have to list the folder you want to share but I don't think  it ever had a restriction on the name, and if you want access to the full computer you can set it to / (or whatever the windows equivalent is, c:\ maybe?). It is a server and like any other server the files are served at some url which you can set. It used to default to <serverurl>/file (assuming you are using the default port and everything) but I changed it to match the new work Jeremy has done with the --listen command in the core so they are on <serverurl>/files instead. If for some reason you really don't want to have the prefix you can turn it off but you have to accept that I am not doing tech support for it because it will break serving multiple wikis.

[TonyM]

Josiah

I totaly understand your browser practice. I used to use multiple profiles in firefox to do the same. Unfortunatly I found it fiddly and fragile. I now do the same with chrome users however I still work as a rule in firefox.

I have a chrome user for website admin, banking and even ones for my clients. Each user remains logged into there sites, control panels or office 365 and there is no confusion having to logout and in all the time. Many of these accounts even have seperate google accounts (Gsuite)

I also use ie for office365 for compatability sometimes but without users or profiles its a pain loging in and out.

Having set this up a couple of years ago it just works and I am a happy chappy, yet I feel for you that you are now forced to rebuild your workflow because of software changes out of your control.

Yet, keep in mind bob particularly, tiddlyserver, tiddlydesktop and now timimi all make a diverse browser setup more practical.

Regards
Tony

[@TiddlyTweeter]

TonyM wrote:

I totaly understand your browser practice. I used to use multiple profiles in firefox to do the same. Unfortunatly I found it fiddly and fragile.

I think I was lucky in that I stumbled upon a great profile manager that worked very robustly & simply from within FF without any problems. FWIW the developer (a serious FF informed developer) has abandoned it because the new API currently lacks easy "bridging" between the Browser & the OS that needs to take up the slack for what has gone.

After our discussion above I finally got motivated to hazard change. I can see I need to deal with launching profiles from the OS level, NOT within the Browser, now.

One upside is that I found I can get the latest FF to run alongside FF 52 if I start the profile from the OS correctly (with the "-no-remote" option). That helps as I want incremental change that makes sense. Not being reduced to zero just because something I can't control changed for its own reasons.

A complication (finally a simplicity once its working) for me is the standard day work I do I want to do always through a fully portable system. That is to do with me moving about a lot. A bad side effect of the FF change, not commented on much, is it kinda wiped out the (few) truly "portable" add-ons that can reliably use relative addressing for saving.
 

... I feel for you that you are now forced to rebuild your workflow because of software changes out of your control.

Between FF then to FF now IS a huge leap, if you are so customised as me. But I'm not too concerned. I've waited for the dust to settle. And can wait a while more. Slowly some solutions are coming that mean I won't have to go back totally to ground zero.

Thanks for your message
Josiah