[tiddlyweb] A little hoster experiment
PMario
I did set up a TeamWork TW at hoster [1]
Combined Måns idea and Tobias script [2] using TypeWithMe and a hoster
setup.
See post where it comes from [3]
Would be nice if you jump in too!
regards
Mario
[1] http://hoster.peermore.com/recipes/TeamWork/tiddlers.wiki
[2] http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/1d3d799fc825d0a4/79fd9257b1577a87?hl=en
[3] http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/b95de9cb062ad2a4?hl=en
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Tobias Beer
Kind of a late reply. Just wanted to say that your tutorial video [1]
as posted in [2] about publishing in public bags and sharing them made
me want to start playing with tiddlyweb in the form of its "could
playground" [3].
Though I am not an expert in the matter, but could - by adding the
necessary WSDL abstraction layers - TiddlyWeb/TiddlyHoster actually
mature into something worth calling "TiddlyWeb based SAS" [4]? ...as
opposed to the relational-database-mgt-focus of a http://force.com?
Anyways, I'll (re)start sneaking into your and everyone elses stuff
over @ TiddlyHoster.
Tobias.
[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzHRHLd7tyk
[2] http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_frm/thread/b95de9cb062ad2a4
[3] http://hoster.peermore.com
[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_as_a_service
Paul Downey
> as posted in [2] about publishing in public bags and sharing them made
> me want to start playing with tiddlyweb in the form of its "could
> playground" [3].
yes, the video is great, and just how people can contribute, not just
by writing code. You might also like to check out
http://tiddlyspace.com which is a little more active and whose design
was informed by developing and using hoster ..
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Paul (psd)
http://blog.whatfettle.com
chris...@gmail.com
In case there's concern, though I'm currently distracted from hoster
for work on tiddlyspace, I don't intend to see hoster fade away. My
expectation is that TiddlySpace and TiddlyHoster can live concurrently
and be mutually beneficial.
Soon I'll be writing up a little bit of something on how they are
different and how they are the same.
--
Chris Dent http://burningchrome.com/~cdent/
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Paul Downey
> In case there's concern, though I'm currently distracted from hoster
> for work on tiddlyspace, I don't intend to see hoster fade away. My
> expectation is that TiddlySpace and TiddlyHoster can live concurrently
> and be mutually beneficial.
Sure! I think there's benefits in both models, and both serve to
demonstrate how to mix and match TiddlyWiki, TiddlyWeb and The Web.
> Soon I'll be writing up a little bit of something on how they are
> different and how they are the same.
That sounds like an interesting and worthwhile exercise. At this point
I can see one immediate difference, that TiddlySpace is emphasising
creating private spaces amongst trusting groups users, with a
publishing to public process whereas hoster is explicitly more "open",
less constrained, and could be considered to be more individualistic.
Hmm.
PMario
Thx, for bringing that thread up again :)
On Jun 1, 2:59 pm, Tobias Beer <beertob...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi PMario,
>
> Kind of a late reply. Just wanted to say that your tutorial video [1]
> as posted in [2] about publishing in public bags and sharing them made
> me want to start playing with tiddlyweb in the form of its "could
> playground" [3].
Tell me, where your "public, protected" bag is and I'll append it to
the TeamWork recipe.
http://hoster.peermore.com/recipes/TeamWork/tiddlers.wiki#[[Join%20me%20in]]
> Though I am not an expert in the matter, but could - by adding the
> necessary WSDL abstraction layers - TiddlyWeb/TiddlyHoster actually
> mature into something worth calling "TiddlyWeb based SAS" [4]? ...as
> opposed to the relational-database-mgt-focus of ahttp://force.com?
one bag. Then I can use this bag with different TWs.
have fun!
Mario
> Anyways, I'll (re)start sneaking into your and everyone elses stuff
> over @ TiddlyHoster.
>
> Tobias.
>
> [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzHRHLd7tyk
PMario
On Jun 1, 3:16 pm, Paul Downey <paul.dow...@whatfettle.com> wrote:
> --- snip ---
> yes, the video is great, and just how people can contribute, not just
Thx.
> .. You might also like to check outhttp://tiddlyspace.comwhich is a little more active and whose design
had a look with the console to tiddlyspace. And as I saw all public
bags are empty.
The biggest disadvantage of tiddlyspace, at the moment, imho is, that
there is no visual information about existing spaces.
I really loved the starting page at the beginning. Would have been
nice to have links to existing spaces inside the animated circles.
>
> --
> Paul (psd)http://blog.whatfettle.com
PMario
On Jun 1, 3:41 pm, chris.d...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Jun 2010, Paul Downey wrote:
> >> Kind of a late reply. Just wanted to say that your tutorial video [1]
> >> as posted in [2] about publishing in public bags and sharing them made
> >> me want to start playing with tiddlyweb in the form of its "could
> >> playground" [3].
>
> > yes, the video is great, and just how people can contribute, not just
> > by writing code. You might also like to check out
>
> In case there's concern, though I'm currently distracted from hoster
Have to say, that all of you are doing a great job with the
TiddlyWebWikiHosterSpace and TW5 project. Thx a lot!!
> I don't intend to see hoster fade away. My
> expectation is that TiddlySpace and TiddlyHoster can live concurrently
> and be mutually beneficial.
What I'd really like, would be, to have a web interface to the Role,
User, Policy and the Collections thing, that I read somewhere. It
would help me a lot.
kind regards
Mario
FND
> User, Policy and the Collections thing, that I read somewhere.
I'm not sure whether that's what you're referring to, but TiddlyWebAdmin
provides some of that functionality:
http://collab.tiddlywiki.org/tiddlywebadmin/
http://github.com/FND/tiddlywebadmin
For convenience, I wrote a script[1] to create a single-page app[2]:
http://fnd.lewcid.org/tmp/tiddlywebadmin.html
(needs to be downloaded and run from a file: URI, possibly modifying the
default http://0.0.0.0:8080 host at the bottom of the file)
It's still a bit rough UI-wise, but rather handy nonetheless.
-- F.
[1] rather underestimating the complexity of such an endeavor:
http://github.com/FND/tiddlywebadmin/commit/7fccab5aeacb3a5b619b32aca2d301de50478228
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-page_application
chris...@gmail.com
>> Soon I'll be writing up a little bit of something on how they are
>> different and how they are the same.
>
> That sounds like an interesting and worthwhile exercise. At this point
> I can see one immediate difference, that TiddlySpace is emphasising
> creating private spaces amongst trusting groups users, with a
> publishing to public process whereas hoster is explicitly more "open",
> less constrained, and could be considered to be more individualistic.
> Hmm.
Obviously I haven't gotten around to this yet, but I still think it is
a relevant exercise, especially given the experiences discussed in the
granularity thread.
There's a great deal of code that can be shared between hoster and
tiddlyspace, so I'm hoping once TiddlySpace stabilizes a bit I can
integrate the learnings into hoster. I'm disappointed with myself for
not giving hoster the attention it deserves, especially since I
believe it exercises the power in TiddlyWeb to a greater degree than
TiddlySpace.
This of course comes at a cost of usability though.
There are always compromises.
PMario
> On Tue, 1 Jun 2010, Paul Downey wrote:
> >> Soon I'll be writing up a little bit of something on how they are
> >> different and how they are the same.
> a relevant exercise, especially given the experiences discussed in the
> granularity thread.
*Easy to sign up and login.
*Everything is private until you decide to publish it.
*Small interface, but powerfull backstage area with synchronisation
*import existing TiddlyWikis
*syncing after offline editing
*creating new spaces
*a space is a subdomain, which is IMO cool :)
*all the funcionality that a normal TW has.
* ...
> There's a great deal of code that can be shared between hoster and
> tiddlyspace, so I'm hoping once TiddlySpace stabilizes a bit I can
Especially the heavy tweaked publishPlugin I like a lot. (new thread)
And I have some ideas for the hoster UI, which could speed up working
with hoster a lot. (see below)
> ..I'm disappointed with myself for
> believe it exercises the power in TiddlyWeb to a greater degree than
> TiddlySpace.
more experience and some UI tweaking.
> This of course comes at a cost of usability though.
> There are always compromises.
allready.
What I need very close to Michael Mahemoff's "multi user TiddlyWiki"
== from his blog [2] ==
(cue dream sequence)
Jimmy is a moderately experienced TiddlyWiki user and wants to make a
room for the enterprise’s music club to collaborate on compositions.
So he logs into TiddlyWiki MU, hits “New Room”, and creates a room
called "musicians"
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I called mine TeamWork and created it with hoster. And to make
handling better I have some suggestions. [1]
kind regards
mario pietsch
[1] http://hoster.peermore.com/recipes/HosterLayoutTest/tiddlers.wiki
[2] http://softwareas.com/multi-user-tiddlywiki
[3] http://hoster.peermore.com/recipes/TeamWork/tiddlers.wiki