CI Test Prep: Roll Casting on Grass

[Andrew R]

Question for the CIs and other test preppers: What system do you use to practice the roll cast tasks on grass. I'm planning to start experimenting with a "grass leader" but was wondering if there's another system that doesn't require me to get a second rod setup just for roll casts. Also, I would obviously prefer to practice with whatever setup(s) I'm most likely to see on the exam.

Thanks,

Andrew R

[Rob Snowhite]

It would help if your anchor (fly line touching water at base of d loop) had separation of the adhesive hydrogen bonds between the water and the line to allow for proper loading of the outgoing cast. The only time I've seen this work properly was Pete Kutzer casting a two hander in a flooded field in Vermont several years ago.

This image somewhat illustrates your line on top and water below:

 

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Subject: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} CI Test Prep: Roll Casting on Grass

Question for the CIs and other test preppers: What system do you use to practice the roll cast tasks on grass. I'm planning to start experimenting with a "grass leader" but was wondering if there's another system that doesn't require me to get a second rod setup just for roll casts. Also, I would obviously prefer to practice with whatever setup(s) I'm most likely to see on the exam.

Thanks,

Andrew R

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[Casey Peltier]

clip the end of the leader under a clipboard clip

or

glue a clothespin to a chopstick, stick the chopstick into the ground,  and secure the end of the leader with the clothespin

or

ask someone to stand on the leader

they all work!

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[Dalton Terrell]

There's a few key things that will make your roll cast work well on the grass and on the water:
1. Pull your rod up slowly and point it behind your head; this will for a bit of a D-loop, the more line you have behind you the easier the cast is (your tester won't let you have more than a rod length though)
2. Lift your elbow to shoulder level and start slow, I mean really slow
3. Apply power at the very end of your forward stroke
4. Stop the rod tip high, like 11 o'clock high

Your tester will be willing to stand on the line, but this isn't really necessary if you follow the above steps.

Dalton

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[Mike Banaszewski]

Andrew -

You don't need a grass leader.  I used a clipboard when I tested two weeks ago and it was perfectly acceptable.  The key thing the examiners will look for is a tight loop that clearly straightens the leader.   

Here is how I practiced and tested:

(1) Lay out a PULD cast at 40 ft

(2) Set up the roll cast, which drags the fly back to ~20 ft

(3) Stop.  Put the rod down.

(4) Walk out to the fly and attach to the clip board

(5) Walk back to the rod.  Reset the roll cast and execute.

The examiner may follow up (as they often will on any task) and ask you to cast again with either no anchor or while stepping on the fly.  However, it is perfectly acceptable to use an anchor on the test for the roll casts.

If your anchored roll casts fully straighten the leader, you'll have no issue with the roll cast pick up - which is clearly unanchored.  On the pick up, focus on casting a bit higher, then cleanly transition (no ticking) to a tight-looped back cast. 

Hope this helps and good luck.

Best,

Mike

[Carl Z.]

Just learn to do it on grass :-)  it isn't as easy, but it works.  I've also used the clipboard and a piece of pvc with a notch cut in it.  

The best way to practice is on water, and I've actually found that puddles work really well.  So if I see you standing out in the street casting on a rainy day, I'll understand.

Grass leaders are a good solution because most of the other solutions require setting up the leader by hand. (clothes pin, clip board, ...

Carl

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