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Daniel Davala
Nov 30, 2009, 5:33:16 PM11/30/09
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I had the day off today, so we decided to catch the outgoing tide at the mouth of Little Hunting Creek near Mount Vernon. There is some pretty good current flow here, though I think it is slowed somewhat by the shallow flat just outside the mouth. I saw a few nice fish breaking farther out in the river, but none came in to play. Nevertheless, It was a great opportunity for Melody to get some more practice casting the Skagit line. I am particularly proud of her D-Loop in picture #9159. I cannot stress this enough. If you are passionate about fly fishing, SHARE IT with your wife, husband, girlfriend, boyfriend, son, daughter, mother, father, friend, etc. etc. etc. It is good for you, good for them, and good for the future of our sport and our fish. Time on the water is only sweeter when spent with those you love.
By the way, I have been finding that people around here look pretty funny at you when you pump gas, get a coffee, or go to the store while wearing your waders. They obviously have no idea what kind of fishery we live next to. I guess we are all changing that.
Rex Moore
Nov 30, 2009, 8:04:59 PM11/30/09
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Dan, what were your approximate start and finish times? I'm pretty sure there is an optimum couple of hours past high tide at these spots, and I'd like to figure out what it is.
I was at Gravelly Point around 11:15 today... about 6 hours 15 minutes past high tide. Still a very good outflow, but with low tide at 12:25 it was pretty shallow and I didn't get any bites. I met a fellow TPFR member, Michael, as I was leaving... interested to hear if he had any luck right around low tide.
Rex
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Daniel Davala <daniel...@gmail.com> wrote:
I had the day off today, so we decided to catch the outgoing tide at the mouth of Little Hunting Creek near Mount Vernon. There is some pretty good current flow here, though I think it is slowed somewhat by the shallow flat just outside the mouth. I saw a few nice fish breaking farther out in the river, but none came in to play. Nevertheless, It was a great opportunity for Melody to get some more practice casting the Skagit line. I am particularly proud of her D-Loop in picture #9159. I cannot stress this enough. If you are passionate about fly fishing, SHARE IT with your wife, husband, girlfriend, boyfriend, son, daughter, mother, father, friend, etc. etc. etc. It is good for you, good for them, and good for the future of our sport and our fish. Time on the water is only sweeter when spent with those you love.By the way, I have been finding that people around here look pretty funny at you when you pump gas, get a coffee, or go to the store while wearing your waders. They obviously have no idea what kind of fishery we live next to. I guess we are all changing that.
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Stevie
Nov 30, 2009, 8:47:34 PM11/30/09
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Uhh, Dan??
I hate to break it to you buddy but...it's not the waders.
Sorry, Stevie
Michael Bartgis
Nov 30, 2009, 9:19:02 PM11/30/09
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Rex,
It was a pleasure to meet you, nice to put a name to a face.
I had the same luck, the water was moving pretty well but the fish weren't there. I'm not sure if it was a heavy tide or what, but the water level was very low compared to other times I've stopped there. I was able to see many of the hang ups that claimed my flies. I found a few clousers in the trees though, although, I'm definitely still in the hole.
See you out there,
Michael Bartgis
Dan Davala - Founder
Nov 30, 2009, 9:54:49 PM11/30/09
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Rex and group,
If I intend to fish an outgoing tide, I like to be on the water where
I am planning to fish about and hour after HIGH TIDE (before it really
starts to flow). I expect the fishing to pick up at around two hours
past HIGH TIDE, and it is usually pretty solid for about two hours.
Last time Stevie and I fished a mid day outgoing tide at G.P., we
caught fish right up until LOW TIDE. Once it gets shallow near the
bridge, you can wade right in the middle and walk the gravel bar all
the way down to the boat docks. The last hour or so before LOW TIDE,
you will find that the current is moving right in front of the docks,
and there is a deeper hole there. Stand in the middle with your back
to the airport and swing your fly in the current in front of the
docks. I believe there is a sign that reads NO FISHING FROM THE
DOCKS, so I would obey that.
One other thing. The tide chart linked to the TPFR homepage is for
the tide station located in Washington Channel near the Anacostia
River. That is right across the river from Gravelly Point, so the
times are essentially the same. However, if you are farther up or
down the river, or in one of the tributaries, the exact time of HIGH
TIDE or LOW TIDE will vary anywhere from a few minutes to a half hour
from the times on this chart depending on where you are. Other tide
stations can be found here: http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/tides09/tab2ec2c.html#53
About midway down the page is where you'll find the Potomac River. We
use the Washington Channel gauge since it is centrally located, but if
you are really trying to nail down an area, always use the station
closest to where you are planning to fish.
Remember, moving water is key. Outgoing tides fish well in certain
areas, but incoming tides will fish well in others. If you want an
example, go look at how much current there is flowing INTO the Tidal
Basin on an INCOMING TIDE. If fish are around, guess where they'll be
then.
On Nov 30, 8:04 pm, Rex Moore <rexmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dan, what were your approximate start and finish times? I'm pretty sure
> there is an optimum couple of hours past high tide at these spots, and I'd
> like to figure out what it is.
>
> I was at Gravelly Point around 11:15 today... about 6 hours 15 minutes past
> high tide. Still a very good outflow, but with low tide at 12:25 it was
> pretty shallow and I didn't get any bites. I met a fellow TPFR member,
> Michael, as I was leaving... interested to hear if he had any luck right
> around low tide.
>
> Rex
>
> > .
>
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If I intend to fish an outgoing tide, I like to be on the water where
I am planning to fish about and hour after HIGH TIDE (before it really
starts to flow). I expect the fishing to pick up at around two hours
past HIGH TIDE, and it is usually pretty solid for about two hours.
Last time Stevie and I fished a mid day outgoing tide at G.P., we
caught fish right up until LOW TIDE. Once it gets shallow near the
bridge, you can wade right in the middle and walk the gravel bar all
the way down to the boat docks. The last hour or so before LOW TIDE,
you will find that the current is moving right in front of the docks,
and there is a deeper hole there. Stand in the middle with your back
to the airport and swing your fly in the current in front of the
docks. I believe there is a sign that reads NO FISHING FROM THE
DOCKS, so I would obey that.
One other thing. The tide chart linked to the TPFR homepage is for
the tide station located in Washington Channel near the Anacostia
River. That is right across the river from Gravelly Point, so the
times are essentially the same. However, if you are farther up or
down the river, or in one of the tributaries, the exact time of HIGH
TIDE or LOW TIDE will vary anywhere from a few minutes to a half hour
from the times on this chart depending on where you are. Other tide
stations can be found here: http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/tides09/tab2ec2c.html#53
About midway down the page is where you'll find the Potomac River. We
use the Washington Channel gauge since it is centrally located, but if
you are really trying to nail down an area, always use the station
closest to where you are planning to fish.
Remember, moving water is key. Outgoing tides fish well in certain
areas, but incoming tides will fish well in others. If you want an
example, go look at how much current there is flowing INTO the Tidal
Basin on an INCOMING TIDE. If fish are around, guess where they'll be
then.
On Nov 30, 8:04 pm, Rex Moore <rexmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dan, what were your approximate start and finish times? I'm pretty sure
> there is an optimum couple of hours past high tide at these spots, and I'd
> like to figure out what it is.
>
> I was at Gravelly Point around 11:15 today... about 6 hours 15 minutes past
> high tide. Still a very good outflow, but with low tide at 12:25 it was
> pretty shallow and I didn't get any bites. I met a fellow TPFR member,
> Michael, as I was leaving... interested to hear if he had any luck right
> around low tide.
>
> Rex
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Daniel Davala <daniel.dav...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
> > I had the day off today, so we decided to catch the outgoing tide at the
> > mouth of Little Hunting Creek near Mount Vernon. There is some pretty good
> > current flow here, though I think it is slowed somewhat by the shallow flat
> > just outside the mouth. I saw a few nice fish breaking farther out in the
> > river, but none came in to play. Nevertheless, It was a great opportunity
> > for Melody to get some more practice casting the Skagit line. I am
> > particularly proud of her D-Loop in picture #9159. I cannot stress this
> > enough. If you are passionate about fly fishing, SHARE IT with your wife,
> > husband, girlfriend, boyfriend, son, daughter, mother, father, friend, etc.
> > etc. etc. It is good for you, good for them, and good for the future of our
> > sport and our fish. Time on the water is only sweeter when spent with those
> > you love.
>
> > By the way, I have been finding that people around here look pretty funny
> > at you when you pump gas, get a coffee, or go to the store while wearing
> > your waders. They obviously have no idea what kind of fishery we live next
> > to. I guess we are all changing that.
>
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> > I had the day off today, so we decided to catch the outgoing tide at the
> > mouth of Little Hunting Creek near Mount Vernon. There is some pretty good
> > current flow here, though I think it is slowed somewhat by the shallow flat
> > just outside the mouth. I saw a few nice fish breaking farther out in the
> > river, but none came in to play. Nevertheless, It was a great opportunity
> > for Melody to get some more practice casting the Skagit line. I am
> > particularly proud of her D-Loop in picture #9159. I cannot stress this
> > enough. If you are passionate about fly fishing, SHARE IT with your wife,
> > husband, girlfriend, boyfriend, son, daughter, mother, father, friend, etc.
> > etc. etc. It is good for you, good for them, and good for the future of our
> > sport and our fish. Time on the water is only sweeter when spent with those
> > you love.
>
> > By the way, I have been finding that people around here look pretty funny
> > at you when you pump gas, get a coffee, or go to the store while wearing
> > your waders. They obviously have no idea what kind of fishery we live next
> > to. I guess we are all changing that.
>
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Rex Moore
Nov 30, 2009, 10:11:47 PM11/30/09
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On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Dan Davala - Founder <daniel...@gmail.com> wrote:
Remember, moving water is key. Outgoing tides fish well in certain
areas, but incoming tides will fish well in others. If you want an
example, go look at how much current there is flowing INTO the Tidal
Basin on an INCOMING TIDE. If fish are around, guess where they'll be
then.
And with that in mind, on my way back I stopped in the parking lot for Roaches Run. It looks like there's access to the bridge (same one that flows into GP). On an incoming tide, wouldn't it make sense that big fish are lining up in Roaches Run.... or do the big stripers and bass not bother going through the tunnel to get in there?
Daniel Davala
Nov 30, 2009, 10:59:11 PM11/30/09
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They are not always there, but they are there sometimes. There are a lot of 5"- 6" Gizzard Shad in the Duck Pond right now, so there is plenty reason for the larger fish to be there. I guess I know where you'll be tomorrow. Seriously, if you give it a shot, let us know how you do. Remember, whether you fish incoming or outgoing tides, when the tides align with low light (i.e. early AM, late PM), overcast, drizzle/rain, and of slightly off-color water, your chances go from good to great pretty quick.
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VolFan
Nov 30, 2009, 11:11:19 PM11/30/09
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The big largemouth definitely line up near the bridge on an incoming
tide. There's a nice hole to the left as you face the bridge.
They'll also sit up on the flats waiting as teh water comes up. I've
neevr had much luck with stripers in Roach's Run, but the laregmouth
in there are solid.
On Nov 30, 10:59 pm, Daniel Davala <daniel.dav...@gmail.com> wrote:
> They are not always there, but they are there sometimes. There are a lot of
> 5"- 6" Gizzard Shad in the Duck Pond right now, so there is plenty reason
> for the larger fish to be there. I guess I know where you'll be tomorrow.
> Seriously, if you give it a shot, let us know how you do. Remember,
> whether you fish incoming or outgoing tides, when the tides align with low
> light (i.e. early AM, late PM), overcast, drizzle/rain, and of slightly
> off-color water, your chances go from good to great pretty quick.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Rex Moore <rexmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Dan Davala - Founder <
> > .
tide. There's a nice hole to the left as you face the bridge.
They'll also sit up on the flats waiting as teh water comes up. I've
neevr had much luck with stripers in Roach's Run, but the laregmouth
in there are solid.
On Nov 30, 10:59 pm, Daniel Davala <daniel.dav...@gmail.com> wrote:
> They are not always there, but they are there sometimes. There are a lot of
> 5"- 6" Gizzard Shad in the Duck Pond right now, so there is plenty reason
> for the larger fish to be there. I guess I know where you'll be tomorrow.
> Seriously, if you give it a shot, let us know how you do. Remember,
> whether you fish incoming or outgoing tides, when the tides align with low
> light (i.e. early AM, late PM), overcast, drizzle/rain, and of slightly
> off-color water, your chances go from good to great pretty quick.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Rex Moore <rexmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Dan Davala - Founder <
> > daniel.dav...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Remember, moving water is key. Outgoing tides fish well in certain
> >> areas, but incoming tides will fish well in others. If you want an
> >> example, go look at how much current there is flowing INTO the Tidal
> >> Basin on an INCOMING TIDE. If fish are around, guess where they'll be
> >> then.
>
> > And with that in mind, on my way back I stopped in the parking lot for
> > Roaches Run. It looks like there's access to the bridge (same one that flows
> > into GP). On an incoming tide, wouldn't it make sense that big fish are
> > lining up in Roaches Run.... or do the big stripers and bass not bother
> > going through the tunnel to get in there?
>
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> >> Remember, moving water is key. Outgoing tides fish well in certain
> >> areas, but incoming tides will fish well in others. If you want an
> >> example, go look at how much current there is flowing INTO the Tidal
> >> Basin on an INCOMING TIDE. If fish are around, guess where they'll be
> >> then.
>
> > And with that in mind, on my way back I stopped in the parking lot for
> > Roaches Run. It looks like there's access to the bridge (same one that flows
> > into GP). On an incoming tide, wouldn't it make sense that big fish are
> > lining up in Roaches Run.... or do the big stripers and bass not bother
> > going through the tunnel to get in there?
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Mac
Dec 1, 2009, 12:20:27 PM12/1/09
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Dan & Group,
With your advice I arrived at about 9:45 am this morning to fish an
outgoing tide at GP. I must have missed it because the water was
already very low and no fish activity to be found. I only had an hour
so I didn't have time to put on my waders and really explore, but it
seemed pretty dead. I ran into two fly fishermen, but they were not
members of the group- maybe they'll join now?
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With your advice I arrived at about 9:45 am this morning to fish an
outgoing tide at GP. I must have missed it because the water was
already very low and no fish activity to be found. I only had an hour
so I didn't have time to put on my waders and really explore, but it
seemed pretty dead. I ran into two fly fishermen, but they were not
members of the group- maybe they'll join now?
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Rex Moore
Dec 1, 2009, 1:08:34 PM12/1/09
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I'm confused also. I dropped by this morning about the same time as I did yesterday (11:15)... which was about 45 minutes closer to this morning's high tide. And yet the water was dramatically lower than yesterday. I didn't even toss a line near the bridge.
Mac, you were only three hours past high tide!
Time for some more learning... what's going on? :)
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Zach on the Hill
Dec 1, 2009, 6:12:45 PM12/1/09
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When I hit them on Thursday evening, I arrived about 40 mins after the
scheduled high tide and it was still coming in. This was probably
because of all the rain we had been getting. However, I literally
watched it turn over the course of about 40 minutes from incoming to
slack to outgoing. After it had been outgoing for about 30 mins the
fish became very active. I caught 3 over the course of about 30-40
mins and then had to leave, but they were still very active when I
left. This was just my experience. Dan is the expert. perhaps he
has additional insight or explanations.
On Dec 1, 1:08 pm, Rex Moore <rexmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm confused also. I dropped by this morning about the same time as I did
> yesterday (11:15)... which was about 45 minutes closer to this
> morning's high tide. And yet the water was dramatically lower than
> yesterday. I didn't even toss a line near the bridge.
>
> Mac, you were only three hours past high tide!
>
> Time for some more learning... what's going on? :)
>
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scheduled high tide and it was still coming in. This was probably
because of all the rain we had been getting. However, I literally
watched it turn over the course of about 40 minutes from incoming to
slack to outgoing. After it had been outgoing for about 30 mins the
fish became very active. I caught 3 over the course of about 30-40
mins and then had to leave, but they were still very active when I
left. This was just my experience. Dan is the expert. perhaps he
has additional insight or explanations.
On Dec 1, 1:08 pm, Rex Moore <rexmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm confused also. I dropped by this morning about the same time as I did
> yesterday (11:15)... which was about 45 minutes closer to this
> morning's high tide. And yet the water was dramatically lower than
> yesterday. I didn't even toss a line near the bridge.
>
> Mac, you were only three hours past high tide!
>
> Time for some more learning... what's going on? :)
>
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