Twisting line

[Gregg DiSalvo]

Hi Guys, Been fishing a lo of deer hair bugs lately.  When fishing Dahlberg divers in particular, I find my leader twists like crazy after 5-10 minutes of fishing.  I'm thinking it twists when casting rather than when retrieving.  This is both annoying, but also I fear it weakens the leader.  Does anybody else have similar issues?   Should I be tying on a small barrel swivel?  I really only ever used swivels with conventional gear, but I'm out of ideas.  

Anybody have any good solutions here?  

Gregg

[Dan G]

A roll cast will eliminate the twisting of leader but will reduce casting distant. I’d suggest reducing the frequency of false casts.

[Scott Stankus]

Switch hands - make one cast with your right hand, then the next cast with your left. This will alternately twist and untwist your leader!

(kidding, of course!)

I've used small barrel swivels on my leader, but I'm not sure I've ever used them when fishing top water. Give it a shot. It may sink your leader a dit, but that shouldn't be a problem with a diver, anyway!

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[arthur noglak]

Your tippet may be to low a diameter.

What size fly and leader are you using?

Art Noglak

[Gregg DiSalvo]

I was chatting with Trent and he thinks the same thing.  I'm using 15lb tip section of a leader, but it is fairly soft mono.  I am going to try some harder mono and see if that does the trick.  If not, I will try sizing up.  The divers which are the only fly I have this problem with, are size 2 and 6 tiemco special use bass bug hooks. 

[arthur noglak]

Oh wow ive never seen 15lb do that!

Art

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[Dalton Terrell]

Zero experience with these swivels, but looks they look like they wouldn't have the issue sinking and would be more stealthy than metal: https://www.amazon.com/Aquateko-Invisa-Swivel/dp/B002UEIU56?th=1&psc=1

This might be relevant as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0annWNU4Jg

Dalton

[Gregg DiSalvo]

Art, you'd be disappointed with the cheap. mono I'm using.  It's only for my snakehead rig.  Trent, those swivels are nuts.  Didn't know something like that existed.  Definitely wanna try nicer tippet first, but if I still have problems....Dare I become...a swivel guy?

[Fly Fish]

Also check your deer hair fly to be certain it is trimmed evenly. If it does not float true when you strip it, take a razorblade and adjust it. 

Charlie

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[Josh Cohn]

Up the tippet like mentioned, but also wrap the shank with some lead to keel it better. 

[Dan G]

I saw a great that used a barrel swivel in a streamer rig; the leader end was tied to the swivel with a 8 inch tag end. A second streamed/wet fly was tied to the tag end of the leader.

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Greg-

In addition to making sure the divers are trimmed so they don't spin, and using a shorter leader, are you using a belgian/continuous tension cast? This cast puts a half turn in your fly line in every cast. Add that with a long leader, a spinning wind resistant fly, you will get some serious leader twist. 

If you don't normally get twist in your line, it is likely the fly. But if you often get some level of line twist, try making sure your backcast is straight back, then pause for the line to mostly unroll and then make your forward cast stright forward in the same plane.  

Hope this helps!

-Tom

[Gregg DiSalvo]

you know, I do often use the Belgium/oval cast.  That very well might be contributing to the issue!