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Aaron O
Nov 11, 2015, 9:27:37 AM11/11/15
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Minnesota man caught a record 57 inch 50 pound Muskie on a fly. Check out the article.
Andy Thomas
Nov 23, 2015, 10:39:15 AM11/23/15
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The orvis blog posted this story as well. Appears kind of cheating to me though. If you take a closer look at the "fly rod", it's actually just a metal pole with a fly reel taped to it. Judging from the background, they were likely just deep trolling with a fly attached to a metal pole. Not exactly what we've come to know as fly fishing.
Parker
Nov 23, 2015, 1:02:57 PM11/23/15
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There is a video of the catch and it is definitely a funky looking rod, but appears to be legit. https://vimeo.com/145483311
Jeffrey Silvan
Nov 23, 2015, 1:09:46 PM11/23/15
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My very official unofficial opinion is that the entry will get disqualified for being caught with equipment that violates IGFA rules. The regulations state the butt of the rod may extend no more than 6 inches from the center of the reel on single handed rods, and no more than 10 inches on two-handed spey rods. From the video, it looks like the butt section is at least 16 inches, if not more. Heck, the butt is just about in his armpit when he's gripping the rod right in front of the reel.
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TurbineBlade
Nov 23, 2015, 1:20:56 PM11/23/15
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Looks very, very similar to how everyone here catches shad in the spring using sinking lines. I guess there are various rules when it comes to posting records. If it were me, I wouldn't care about an official record and just be forever happy I caught such a nice fish.
Long fly rods are already terrible rods for fighting and landing fish based upon simple leverage. I mean, they're (long rods) easier to cast that way but give a lot of advantage to the fish. He'd be cheating much more (to me) if he had caught it with lead trolling line off a downrigger (short) boat rod with a fly reel on it or something.
Just my take.
Gene
On Monday, November 23, 2015 at 1:09:46 PM UTC-5, Jeff Silvan wrote:
My very official unofficial opinion is that the entry will get disqualified for being caught with equipment that violates IGFA rules. The regulations state the butt of the rod may extend no more than 6 inches from the center of the reel on single handed rods, and no more than 10 inches on two-handed spey rods. From the video, it looks like the butt section is at least 16 inches, if not more. Heck, the butt is just about in his armpit when he's gripping the rod right in front of the reel.
On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Parker <pacl...@gmail.com> wrote:
There is a video of the catch and it is definitely a funky looking rod, but appears to be legit. https://vimeo.com/145483311
On Monday, November 23, 2015 at 10:39:15 AM UTC-5, Andy Thomas wrote:The orvis blog posted this story as well. Appears kind of cheating to me though. If you take a closer look at the "fly rod", it's actually just a metal pole with a fly reel taped to it. Judging from the background, they were likely just deep trolling with a fly attached to a metal pole. Not exactly what we've come to know as fly fishing.
On Wednesday, November 11, 2015 at 9:27:37 AM UTC-5, Aaron O wrote:Minnesota man caught a record 57 inch 50 pound Muskie on a fly. Check out the article.
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Yambag Nelson
Nov 23, 2015, 1:33:51 PM11/23/15
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Have you ever caught a fish on a spey rod? Much easier to land a fish than on a single in my opinion. Other than the logistics of grabbing it...
TurbineBlade
Nov 23, 2015, 1:57:05 PM11/23/15
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I've never so much as touched a spey rod, but it's simple physics. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a short fly rod guy. Clearly you can't land a fish that you haven't first presented to and hooked....
Of course, it's more important to learn to use the butt of the rod and lean on fish...
What I meant was that using a super long rod to fight a HUGE fish is certainly no advantage to the angler over a stiff 5-6' boat rod.
Gene
TurbineBlade
Nov 23, 2015, 1:59:01 PM11/23/15
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If anyone is confused about this topic, picture that you have to lift a 30 pound weight off the ground using a stick and string. Tie a piece of string to the end of the stick and then tie the other end to the weight.
Do you want a 14' stick, or a 5' stick for the job?
Gene
Scott Stankus
Nov 23, 2015, 2:01:07 PM11/23/15
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Depends on where the fulcrum is. ;-)
With a long enough lever...
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Richard Farino
Nov 23, 2015, 2:01:21 PM11/23/15
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Jeff is right. It’s definitely longer than 6 inches, but that’s not a single handed rod. Muskie anglers use rods with an extended butt section due to the fact that making figure 8’s at the boat is more effective when you can keep the rod tip down in the water. If the fly rises up too high in the water column, the fish sees the boat and it’s game over. You could argue that the rod is a switch/2-handed rod, but again the center of the reel foot is more than 10 inches in length.
I’d also like to see what they used as far as leader. It’s hard to tell from the video/stills but he was using a pretty long leader.
That said, it’s definitely a Minnesota fly rod record, but alas, world record on fly it is not.
Also – I think IGFA should add a rule to state that the fish must be bought to net/hand/boat by reel only. Hooking a fish that stays alongside the boat and is immediately netted after stripping the line in once or twice doesn’t sit well with me.
Richard Farino. IGFA member, and record holder of having the smallest brook trout ever to spool me on a 0-weight Sage fly rod in really fast water on the Esopus River in NY.
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TurbineBlade
Nov 23, 2015, 2:07:48 PM11/23/15
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What is the IGFA definition of "spooled"? Does it count if the fish just takes all the fly line and rubs you off on a stump?
In that case, I may have some records that don't involve pastries...
Gene
On Monday, November 23, 2015 at 2:01:21 PM UTC-5, Richard Farino wrote:
Jeff is right. It’s definitely longer than 6 inches, but that’s not a single handed rod. Muskie anglers use rods with an extended butt section due to the fact that making figure 8’s at the boat is more effective when you can keep the rod tip down in the water. If the fly rises up too high in the water column, the fish sees the boat and it’s game over. You could argue that the rod is a switch/2-handed rod, but again the center of the reel foot is more than 10 inches in length.I’d also like to see what they used as far as leader. It’s hard to tell from the video/stills but he was using a pretty long leader.That said, it’s definitely a Minnesota fly rod record, but alas, world record on fly it is not.Also – I think IGFA should add a rule to state that the fish must be bought to net/hand/boat by reel only. Hooking a fish that stays alongside the boat and is immediately netted after stripping the line in once or twice doesn’t sit well with me.Richard Farino. IGFA member, and record holder of having the smallest brook trout ever to spool me on a 0-weight Sage fly rod in really fast water on the Esopus River in NY.
Richard Farino
Nov 23, 2015, 2:22:14 PM11/23/15
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I fished the Esopus after a heavy water release into the Ashokan reservoir. #12 prince nymph on 5x tippet a 0-weight rod fished in a seam. 5” brook trout ate, ran downstream and immediately got in the heavy water I was trying NOT to fish in.
80’ fly line, and all 75yds of 12# backing ran to the end and the tippet popped.
Had a Marine JAG there to witness. IGFA turned me down for the record, but DID certify my Boga Grip in case I was to actually land a fish in 2015.
R
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TurbineBlade
Nov 23, 2015, 2:25:28 PM11/23/15
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BTW -- While we're talking about butt extension and are completely off topic, anyone else hate up-locking reel seats? I've heard from rod builders that everything went that way because it's a better system, etc. My experience is that downlocking reel seats actually hold reels more securely -- I don't care what anyone says and feel like I spend enough time holding fly rods to hold this opinion. I've epoxied 2 uplockers now, and another one needs it.
Then again, I generally distrust "new" crap across the board. Usually it's a result of cheaper costs/labor in some way and not necessarily a better result.
Uplockers = reel dumpers.
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Carry on with whether the guy was cheating or not! I think it was a stuffed Muskie personally.
Gene
On Monday, November 23, 2015 at 2:07:48 PM UTC-5, TurbineBlade wrote:
What is the IGFA definition of "spooled"? Does it count if the fish just takes all the fly line and rubs you off on a stump?In that case, I may have some records that don't involve pastries...Gene
On Monday, November 23, 2015 at 2:01:21 PM UTC-5, Richard Farino wrote:
Jeff is right. It’s definitely longer than 6 inches, but that’s not a single handed rod. Muskie anglers use rods with an extended butt section due to the fact that making figure 8’s at the boat is more effective when you can keep the rod tip down in the water. If the fly rises up too high in the water column, the fish sees the boat and it’s game over. You could argue that the rod is a switch/2-handed rod, but again the center of the reel foot is more than 10 inches in length.I’d also like to see what they used as far as leader. It’s hard to tell from the video/stills but he was using a pretty long leader.That said, it’s definitely a Minnesota fly rod record, but alas, world record on fly it is not.Also – I think IGFA should add a rule to state that the fish must be bought to net/hand/boat by reel only. Hooking a fish that stays alongside the boat and is immediately netted after stripping the line in once or twice doesn’t sit well with me.Richard Farino. IGFA member, and record holder of having the smallest brook trout ever to spool me on a 0-weight Sage fly rod in really fast water on the Esopus River in NY.
Richard Farino
Nov 23, 2015, 2:49:28 PM11/23/15
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If the rod is neutrally balanced right where your hand grips the rod, it becomes a better lever the closer the reel is to your hand.
The rod designers build the rods with the intent that the weight of the rod will balance well with a certain range of weights of a reel with line and backing at the point where your hand comfortably holds the grip, which becomes the fulcrum.
R
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TurbineBlade
Nov 24, 2015, 6:59:46 AM11/24/15
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I like that story Rich! That's a potential record I can appreciate ;).
BTW I had never heard of this "Esopus" -- a google search reveals that this cat apparently killed his own father by mistake. Good read!
Gene
On Monday, November 23, 2015 at 2:49:28 PM UTC-5, Richard Farino wrote:
If the rod is neutrally balanced right where your hand grips the rod, it becomes a better lever the closer the reel is to your hand.The rod designers build the rods with the intent that the weight of the rod will balance well with a certain range of weights of a reel with line and backing at the point where your hand comfortably holds the grip, which becomes the fulcrum.R
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Subject: Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: For those Muskie fans out there
BTW -- While we're talking about butt extension and are completely off topic, anyone else hate up-locking reel seats? I've heard from rod builders that everything went that way because it's a better system, etc. My experience is that downlocking reel seats actually hold reels more securely -- I don't care what anyone says and feel like I spend enough time holding fly rods to hold this opinion. I've epoxied 2 uplockers now, and another one needs it.Then again, I generally distrust "new" crap across the board. Usually it's a result of cheaper costs/labor in some way and not necessarily a better result.Uplockers = reel dumpers._______Carry on with whether the guy was cheating or not! I think it was a stuffed Muskie personally.Gene
On Monday, November 23, 2015 at 2:07:48 PM UTC-5, TurbineBlade wrote:
What is the IGFA definition of "spooled"? Does it count if the fish just takes all the fly line and rubs you off on a stump?In that case, I may have some records that don't involve pastries...Gene
On Monday, November 23, 2015 at 2:01:21 PM UTC-5, Richard Farino wrote:
Jeff is right. It’s definitely longer than 6 inches, but that’s not a single handed rod. Muskie anglers use rods with an extended butt section due to the fact that making figure 8’s at the boat is more effective when you can keep the rod tip down in the water. If the fly rises up too high in the water column, the fish sees the boat and it’s game over. You could argue that the rod is a switch/2-handed rod, but again the center of the reel foot is more than 10 inches in length.I’d also like to see what they used as far as leader. It’s hard to tell from the video/stills but he was using a pretty long leader.That said, it’s definitely a Minnesota fly rod record, but alas, world record on fly it is not.Also – I think IGFA should add a rule to state that the fish must be bought to net/hand/boat by reel only. Hooking a fish that stays alongside the boat and is immediately netted after stripping the line in once or twice doesn’t sit well with me.Richard Farino. IGFA member, and record holder of having the smallest brook trout ever to spool me on a 0-weight Sage fly rod in really fast water on the Esopus River in NY.
namfos
Nov 24, 2015, 10:25:00 AM11/24/15
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I dislike DOWN locking reel seats. And given the choice of a 14' or a 5' rod, I'll take the 9 footer. ;-)
Mark
namfos
Nov 24, 2015, 10:37:51 AM11/24/15
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In my book they get full marks for releasing her.
Mark
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