{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Illegal Fishing at Chain Bridge
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SteveK
May 16, 2010, 3:00:47 PM5/16/10
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Is there anything that can be done to stop all of the highly illegal
fishing that is being done at chain bridge? It is such a beautiful
place to fish for the day. It just really disheartens me that there
are people netting, etc. and not to mention all of the garbage that is
left behind.
Steve
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fishing that is being done at chain bridge? It is such a beautiful
place to fish for the day. It just really disheartens me that there
are people netting, etc. and not to mention all of the garbage that is
left behind.
Steve
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John Bilotta
May 16, 2010, 5:20:48 PM5/16/10
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Talk to the park police and the park service, call, write etc, and anytime
you see an officer out and around the river, thank them. I was between CB
and Fletchers today. Same thing.
John Bilotta
you see an officer out and around the river, thank them. I was between CB
and Fletchers today. Same thing.
John Bilotta
Rex Moore
May 16, 2010, 7:46:57 PM5/16/10
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What kind of netting is going on? In Virginia one can purchase a dip net license, which is a "Permit to take shad, herring, and mullet."
Dalton Terrell
May 16, 2010, 11:08:42 PM5/16/10
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Rex,
I have seen dip netting as well as cast netting. According to DC
District Department of Environment regulations (http://ddoe.dc.gov/
ddoe/cwp/view,a,1209,q,494749.asp), cast netting is not allowed and
dip netting is allowed for only "capturing baitfish, gizzard shad,
shiners, and other cyprinids and in the landing of fish taken by
angling". I'm not sure how DC DDOE defines baitfish, but I suppose the
herring *could* qualify for dip netting.
It is quite disturbing to see the illegal activities, from keeping of
protected fish to illegally using cast nets being tolerated. Quite
frankly, I don't know if I have been to Chain Bridge this year and NOT
seen at least one person using a cast net. I have heard some limited
reports of ticketing out there during this shad season, but it seems
quite apparent that the regulations aren't taken seriously by either a
large portion of the patrons or the enforcers of the regulations.
Dalton
I have seen dip netting as well as cast netting. According to DC
District Department of Environment regulations (http://ddoe.dc.gov/
ddoe/cwp/view,a,1209,q,494749.asp), cast netting is not allowed and
dip netting is allowed for only "capturing baitfish, gizzard shad,
shiners, and other cyprinids and in the landing of fish taken by
angling". I'm not sure how DC DDOE defines baitfish, but I suppose the
herring *could* qualify for dip netting.
It is quite disturbing to see the illegal activities, from keeping of
protected fish to illegally using cast nets being tolerated. Quite
frankly, I don't know if I have been to Chain Bridge this year and NOT
seen at least one person using a cast net. I have heard some limited
reports of ticketing out there during this shad season, but it seems
quite apparent that the regulations aren't taken seriously by either a
large portion of the patrons or the enforcers of the regulations.
Dalton
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May 17, 2010, 7:24:13 AM5/17/10
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If DC is anything like MD, as I suspect the answer is yes, then it is lokely that the poor enforcement is due to a lack of funds to maintain a sufficient number of enforcement officers to adequately cover the area. Until the economy recovers, I believe that about all we can do is to call every time you see a violation, since the limited staffing can't be everywhere at an one time.
Stan
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Richard Farino
May 17, 2010, 7:40:30 AM5/17/10
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Don't kid yourselves. Talk to anyone that's been fishing in the area long enough - DC conservation enforcement has always been this way. Either there's just never any funding put in the budget, or they just don't care. I used to believe the former when I first moved down here... lately I'm leaning towards the latter, especially after seeing how things are done in the District.
Maybe it's just me being cynical, but there's going to be a need for something drastic to happen if there's going to be change.
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If DC is anything like MD, as I suspect the answer is yes, then it is lokely that the poor enforcement is due to a lack of funds to maintain a sufficient number of enforcement officers to adequately cover the area. Until the economy recovers, I believe that about all we can do is to call every time you see a violation, since the limited staffing can't be everywhere at an one time.
Stan
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Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 20:08:42
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Rex,
I have seen dip netting as well as cast netting. According to DC
District Department of Environment regulations (http://ddoe.dc.gov/
ddoe/cwp/view,a,1209,q,494749.asp), cast netting is not allowed and
dip netting is allowed for only "capturing baitfish, gizzard shad,
shiners, and other cyprinids and in the landing of fish taken by
angling". I'm not sure how DC DDOE defines baitfish, but I suppose the
herring *could* qualify for dip netting.
It is quite disturbing to see the illegal activities, from keeping of
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Maybe it's just me being cynical, but there's going to be a need for something drastic to happen if there's going to be change.
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If DC is anything like MD, as I suspect the answer is yes, then it is lokely that the poor enforcement is due to a lack of funds to maintain a sufficient number of enforcement officers to adequately cover the area. Until the economy recovers, I believe that about all we can do is to call every time you see a violation, since the limited staffing can't be everywhere at an one time.
Stan
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Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 20:08:42
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Rex,
I have seen dip netting as well as cast netting. According to DC
District Department of Environment regulations (http://ddoe.dc.gov/
ddoe/cwp/view,a,1209,q,494749.asp), cast netting is not allowed and
dip netting is allowed for only "capturing baitfish, gizzard shad,
shiners, and other cyprinids and in the landing of fish taken by
angling". I'm not sure how DC DDOE defines baitfish, but I suppose the
herring *could* qualify for dip netting.
It is quite disturbing to see the illegal activities, from keeping of
stan...@gmail.com
May 17, 2010, 7:44:29 AM5/17/10
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Richard,
I don't know about DC, but I do know that is a major problem in MD.
I don't know about DC, but I do know that is a major problem in MD.
Rob Snowhite
May 17, 2010, 8:14:52 AM5/17/10
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the smell of chain bridge area should alert people to the illegal
fishing and blatant disregard for the resources. fish heads, scales,
tails, full bodies etc littering the shore. people snagging fish to
use as bait, cast nets, dip nets etc.
found this contraption near the spillway/platform yesterday
http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL294/1893033/22209618/387276476.jpg
http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL294/1893033/22209618/387276473.jpg
I have to admit it is a good looking product and made from trash but
the person left it there (some other dudes picked it up).
I took a trash bag with me on friday and filled it up pretty good with
cans, bottles, bird nests of mono etc but had to leave it at the
platform when the hail started. i was wondering if the trucks on the
towpath ever come down there and pick up the other bags that people
fill.
I see the same illegal stuff on other streams and chatter on boards of
people complaining. Calling in has not done much for me in the past.
I called in cast netter on my home lake in reston and the vdgif person
responded with 'reston, where is that? lake what?' and hung up.
DC should put more effort into busting poachers and such than they do
with those speed traps on 395 near RFK.
fishing and blatant disregard for the resources. fish heads, scales,
tails, full bodies etc littering the shore. people snagging fish to
use as bait, cast nets, dip nets etc.
found this contraption near the spillway/platform yesterday
http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL294/1893033/22209618/387276476.jpg
http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL294/1893033/22209618/387276473.jpg
I have to admit it is a good looking product and made from trash but
the person left it there (some other dudes picked it up).
I took a trash bag with me on friday and filled it up pretty good with
cans, bottles, bird nests of mono etc but had to leave it at the
platform when the hail started. i was wondering if the trucks on the
towpath ever come down there and pick up the other bags that people
fill.
I see the same illegal stuff on other streams and chatter on boards of
people complaining. Calling in has not done much for me in the past.
I called in cast netter on my home lake in reston and the vdgif person
responded with 'reston, where is that? lake what?' and hung up.
DC should put more effort into busting poachers and such than they do
with those speed traps on 395 near RFK.
Mac
May 17, 2010, 10:45:59 AM5/17/10
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I was there last week and saw an officer come and try to catch some of
the cast netters. They had a pretty elaborate system of warning calls
from both sides of the river. As I understood what was being said,
they new when the officer crossed the bridge and parked, when he was
coming down the hill, and when they should run.
And run they did... about 20 people abruptly stopped fishing, netting,
snagging, etc.. and took off. The most blatant of the cast netters
left his pile of juvenile white perch hickory shad, gatorade cooler of
"keepers" and piles of trash that he and his group brought and
sprinted off for the woods to hide his net.
Needless to say, the officer didn't have a chance to catch any of
these guys in the act or with a net. They abandoned all the fish and
dispersed. About an hour later, they came back and started again.
I had a chance to speak with the officer breifly and said my thanks
for his service. Too bad there are so few of them to help police this
area. It'd be one thing if they were just netting and taking legal
fish... but the trash and the killing of all those young fish really
gets me fired up. Oh well, see you guys out there.
-Michael
On May 17, 8:14 am, Rob Snowhite <r...@robsnowhite.com> wrote:
> the smell of chain bridge area should alert people to the illegal
> fishing and blatant disregard for the resources. fish heads, scales,
> tails, full bodies etc littering the shore. people snagging fish to
> use as bait, cast nets, dip nets etc.
>
> found this contraption near the spillway/platform yesterdayhttp://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL294/1893033/22209618/387276476.jpghttp://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL294/1893033/22209618/387276473.jpg
the cast netters. They had a pretty elaborate system of warning calls
from both sides of the river. As I understood what was being said,
they new when the officer crossed the bridge and parked, when he was
coming down the hill, and when they should run.
And run they did... about 20 people abruptly stopped fishing, netting,
snagging, etc.. and took off. The most blatant of the cast netters
left his pile of juvenile white perch hickory shad, gatorade cooler of
"keepers" and piles of trash that he and his group brought and
sprinted off for the woods to hide his net.
Needless to say, the officer didn't have a chance to catch any of
these guys in the act or with a net. They abandoned all the fish and
dispersed. About an hour later, they came back and started again.
I had a chance to speak with the officer breifly and said my thanks
for his service. Too bad there are so few of them to help police this
area. It'd be one thing if they were just netting and taking legal
fish... but the trash and the killing of all those young fish really
gets me fired up. Oh well, see you guys out there.
-Michael
On May 17, 8:14 am, Rob Snowhite <r...@robsnowhite.com> wrote:
> the smell of chain bridge area should alert people to the illegal
> fishing and blatant disregard for the resources. fish heads, scales,
> tails, full bodies etc littering the shore. people snagging fish to
> use as bait, cast nets, dip nets etc.
>
mike
May 17, 2010, 11:09:26 AM5/17/10
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Keep up this thread folks. It's DC' water and they must work with no
less than three different enforcement groups to deal with the problem.
They are reading this. On Sunday morning I hauled out three cast nets
and a trot line!
> > found this contraption near the spillway/platform yesterdayhttp://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL294/1893033/22209618/387276476.jpght...
less than three different enforcement groups to deal with the problem.
They are reading this. On Sunday morning I hauled out three cast nets
and a trot line!
Bob Grove
May 17, 2010, 11:40:23 AM5/17/10
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How would one communicate a suggestion to the officers, namely, the same thing they use elsewhere: unmarked cars and plain-looking clothes?
Bob G.
Bob G.
John Foley
May 17, 2010, 12:00:03 PM5/17/10
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I saw a guy over the weekend catching plenty of fish with a cast net.
But then he would just opened it and let them spill out all over the
rocks!! I'm sure some didn't make it back to the river. Atrocious! I
guess he wanted bigger fish or was after something else.
Seems to me more people are using cast nets than I've seen in the
past. Agree it's an absolute disgrace how some people leave the area.
No respect at all. Taking fish illegally is not much of a leap to
them. If I see an enforcement officer I will thank him for his hard
work and help out any way I can.
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But then he would just opened it and let them spill out all over the
rocks!! I'm sure some didn't make it back to the river. Atrocious! I
guess he wanted bigger fish or was after something else.
Seems to me more people are using cast nets than I've seen in the
past. Agree it's an absolute disgrace how some people leave the area.
No respect at all. Taking fish illegally is not much of a leap to
them. If I see an enforcement officer I will thank him for his hard
work and help out any way I can.
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May 17, 2010, 12:11:34 PM5/17/10
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Couple all the trash, fishing tactics (if you call it that) and overall behavior, I've often see them with young children. Great example they're setting for future generations!
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Nunya Bidnezz
May 17, 2010, 2:24:58 PM5/17/10
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I was out not long ago near CB, and walked up behind some guys fishing with terminal tackle. They had 3 large (3-4 lbs) channel cats that they'd caught and thrown on the shore behind them. I assumed they were taking the cats home, and didn't think anything of it, until I saw them walk away and leave those catfish out to die! So, I walked over, noted that the three were still breathing (I'd been there for almost an hour!), and chunked 'em back in the river. I don't know if they survived, but at least one did for sure. He'd been tossed into a small puddle where he could at least still breathe. I find that sort of thing so disgusting it makes me angry. The catfish, while not a particularly 'sexy' sport fish, fights hard, is good to eat, and actually
performs an important function in the river by tending the riverbed. Don't let people just kill them for fun.
And I think we ought to be able to cast the cast netters into the river! Those guys are working the shallows near CB every day and night that I've been out there. God knows how many fish they've taken or killed out of that water.
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I wonder if they could use cameras out there to film those guys, then cite 'em as they come off the river
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Rob Snowhite
May 17, 2010, 2:50:37 PM5/17/10
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Just want to chime in and remind all that Dan doesn't want our group
to become fly rodders vs. everyone else. Which is hard to say since I
don't see people with fly rods breaking the laws but I'm sure they
exist. After all, I do have to thank the poachers from Accontink a
last year who left behind a brand new webber smokey joe, lighter
fluid, and a bag of charcoal.
Having said that, If I were tasked with monitoring fishing activities
near the bridge, I would have someone on the bridge with binoculars to
watch people and a crew on the shore to approach and enforce the rules
to violators.
> > found this contraption near the spillway/platform yesterdayhttp://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL294/1893033/22209618/387276476.jpght...
to become fly rodders vs. everyone else. Which is hard to say since I
don't see people with fly rods breaking the laws but I'm sure they
exist. After all, I do have to thank the poachers from Accontink a
last year who left behind a brand new webber smokey joe, lighter
fluid, and a bag of charcoal.
Having said that, If I were tasked with monitoring fishing activities
near the bridge, I would have someone on the bridge with binoculars to
watch people and a crew on the shore to approach and enforce the rules
to violators.
BobP
May 18, 2010, 8:32:12 AM5/18/10
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Watch your back guys. I've experienced it and have it on good
authority (ArlCo Police friends) that the VA access side on CB is
heavy
with gang related activity on the weekends. We've been fishing there
since the 70's and have seen the poachers every year since.
It's a shame because it is great fishing grounds. I cut my teeth at
Gulf Branch.
Bob
> > found this contraption near the spillway/platform yesterdayhttp://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL294/1893033/22209618/387276476.jpght...
authority (ArlCo Police friends) that the VA access side on CB is
heavy
with gang related activity on the weekends. We've been fishing there
since the 70's and have seen the poachers every year since.
It's a shame because it is great fishing grounds. I cut my teeth at
Gulf Branch.
Bob
Frank Polito
May 18, 2010, 8:42:07 AM5/18/10
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I was down at chain bridge about 2 weeks ago and casting into a nice
pool when dude starting throwing a net in the same pool I was casting
to! However; about thirty minutes later 2 uniformed officers managed
to sneak down the back way and catch this netter along with 2 others.
I went up and thanked the officers talked to them for a little while.
They said that there was a lot of gang activety down here and pointed
out some tags for MS-13 and La Raza, which i geuss is at war with MS
right now. Their main message for everyone down here was BE
CAREFUL!!! and definately don't fish after dark. The river is not
worth losing your life over
pool when dude starting throwing a net in the same pool I was casting
to! However; about thirty minutes later 2 uniformed officers managed
to sneak down the back way and catch this netter along with 2 others.
I went up and thanked the officers talked to them for a little while.
They said that there was a lot of gang activety down here and pointed
out some tags for MS-13 and La Raza, which i geuss is at war with MS
right now. Their main message for everyone down here was BE
CAREFUL!!! and definately don't fish after dark. The river is not
worth losing your life over
John Foley
May 19, 2010, 7:55:53 AM5/19/10
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I did not notice that MS-13 tag early in the season. Maybe the weekend
before last I did take note so I think it is relatively recent. There
was a time this season I was there alone on a weeknight and felt
uneasy. I just left. Didn't even break down my rod. Some young guys
looking at me as if I were an outsider. And maybe I am! I was actually
fearful to be robbed. I've never felt that before. And I like that
area. Bummer.
Ditto what Frank said; be careful. If fishing evenings probably a good
idea to buddy up. Doesn't seem as much of an issue early mornings.
before last I did take note so I think it is relatively recent. There
was a time this season I was there alone on a weeknight and felt
uneasy. I just left. Didn't even break down my rod. Some young guys
looking at me as if I were an outsider. And maybe I am! I was actually
fearful to be robbed. I've never felt that before. And I like that
area. Bummer.
Ditto what Frank said; be careful. If fishing evenings probably a good
idea to buddy up. Doesn't seem as much of an issue early mornings.
Nunya Bidnezz
May 19, 2010, 9:32:12 AM5/19/10
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I have to say, I'm not so much worried about someone approaching me while I'm fishing, because that would be too much like work for your average gangbanger. The part that worries me is when I'm walking back to my car in the parking area. Most of the bangers have as much idea about effectively hiding in the woods along the path as they do molecular biology, but carjacking in the parking area? That, I'm fairly sure, they are conversant with.
Consequently, when I walk out to the parking area, I have my rod broken down and carry the butt with the reel still attached in my right hand, holding it by the end away from the grip - sorta like a mace. That big large arbor is heavy. I haven't been approached so far, and haven't seen anyone loitering around the parking area, though I have seen DC park police sitting up there from time to time.
From: John Foley <jffo...@gmail.com>
To: Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders <tidal-potoma...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 7:55:53 AM
Subject: Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Illegal Fishing at Chain Bridge
I did not notice that MS-13 tag early in the season. Maybe the weekend
before last I did take note so I think it is relatively recent. There
was a time this season I was there alone on a weeknight and felt
uneasy. I just left. Didn't even break down my rod. Some young guys
looking at me as if I were an outsider. And maybe I am! I was actually
fearful to be robbed. I've never felt that before. And I like that
area. Bummer.
Ditto what Frank said; be careful. If fishing evenings probably a good
idea to buddy up. Doesn't seem as much of an issue early mornings.
On May 18, 8:42 am, Frank Polito <thefrank.pol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was down at chain bridge about 2 weeks ago and casting into a nice
> pool when dude starting throwing a net in the same pool I was casting
> to! However; about thirty minutes later 2 uniformed officers managed
> to sneak down the back way and catch this netter along with 2 others.
> I went up and thanked the officers talked to them for a little while.
> They said that there was a lot of gang activety down here and pointed
> out some tags for MS-13 and La Raza, which i geuss is at war with MS
> right now. Their main message for everyone down here was BE
> CAREFUL!!! and definately don't fish after dark. The river is not
> worth losing your life over
>
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Hey thanks for the heads up on this guys - I've lived in DC my whole
life, and I'm well aware of the crime and how easy it is to get
jumped, but I never really connected the dots on how that spot could
easily become dangerous after dark. In most places I'm on the water
every minute I can be, but I'll remember to leave a little early when
fishing there in the future, just in case. One other tip - I always
leave my wallet in the car anyway just in case I fall in the river or
lose it or something. I just carry a photocopy of a picture ID along
with my fishing licenses folded in a ziplock in my pack, since some
states require picture ID. I do this out of convenience, but the
shadiness of the area is certainly one more good reason to leave the
wallet in the car if you already don't. And it's also a good reason
to vote for pro-gun politicians, because we all know the best defense
is a good offense! Just kidding on that last one - I agree with Frank
that it's not worth it and it's best just to leave a bit early. I'm
not dying over my 7wt.
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life, and I'm well aware of the crime and how easy it is to get
jumped, but I never really connected the dots on how that spot could
easily become dangerous after dark. In most places I'm on the water
every minute I can be, but I'll remember to leave a little early when
fishing there in the future, just in case. One other tip - I always
leave my wallet in the car anyway just in case I fall in the river or
lose it or something. I just carry a photocopy of a picture ID along
with my fishing licenses folded in a ziplock in my pack, since some
states require picture ID. I do this out of convenience, but the
shadiness of the area is certainly one more good reason to leave the
wallet in the car if you already don't. And it's also a good reason
to vote for pro-gun politicians, because we all know the best defense
is a good offense! Just kidding on that last one - I agree with Frank
that it's not worth it and it's best just to leave a bit early. I'm
not dying over my 7wt.
>
> - Show quoted text -
Stephen Sparks
May 19, 2010, 10:06:49 AM5/19/10
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I'd hate to damage a $750 rod whacking a freaked out gangbanger which is likely only to infuriate them anyway.. thank God in many western states we can carry our pistola's on our hip as "unconcealed" firearms - more of a deterrent then my Helios fly-whip.
sparkr--
Steve
sparkr
Steve
M. Townes
May 19, 2010, 10:20:07 AM5/19/10
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Greetings all,
I'm a little concerned by the tone this thread has taken; it seems
unduly speculative, and perhaps a bit colored by unfortunate ethnic
stereotypes. I am worried that we are cultivating a presumption that
"illegal" fishers are criminals through and through, which is unfair and
almost certainly false.
To wit: I seriously doubt MS-13 or La Raza have an interest in Potomac
fisheries or fisherpersons. In the greater Metro DC area, there are far
more lucrative enterprises for criminal gangs; shaking down Anglo
fishermen probably ranks somewhere between digging up Park Service
daffodils and those hand-painted "Lose Weight Fast" signs you see nailed
to utility poles.
I think it far more likely that random, bored Latino kids are spray-
painting the first thing that comes to mind, while their dads and
brothers fish. Given the media attention and the general attitude of
extreme risk-aversion among most law enforcement officers, I'm sure this
is reason enough for them to encourage caution. But caution, like many
good things, can be toxic in large enough doses. After all, you can find
MS-13 tags in some of the campus bathrooms at GWU, but that's not a
reason to give up and poop your pants.
I have been using this river in various capacities for almost a decade,
and I have never had my car so much as broken into. I know people who
have, and it does happen, but it is fairly rare. Lock your doors and
hang on to your wallet. And frankly, despite only a moderate amount of
fishing so far this season, my car already smells so bad that any
would-be carjacker/thief would have to be out of his mind to want it.
(It also helps that I drive a beat-down '92 Volvo).
Back to los pescadores: it is a shame that they do not seem interested
in stewardship of this resource. However, I have seen very little
outreach to this particular demographic to explain why the rules are the
way they are, and which fish are covered. Having law enforcement chase
them away every so often is not a long-term strategy; they (or someone
like them) will come right back.
If we in this club are to be leaders and guardians of the Potomac, we
should do it by promoting it as a river for all to enjoy - which, I
think, cannot be accomplished by allowing prejudice to affect our
interactions with other anglers. Yes, there may be some people abusing
the fishery, but let's leave our minds open to the possibility that they
might be doing so to feed families in the midst of a recession, rather
than postulating some sort of trans-Contintental
shad-for-methamphetamine connection. Our default position should be one
of welcome and concern, not fear and distrust.
I've seen plenty of killed fish out there - and there are definitely
white anglers doing it, too; yet the fishery is still robust enough that
I was able to enjoy several excellent days of fishing. I know that
fisheries science is not an exact, well, science, so let us consider it
possible that not every single fish in the system needs to live out its
natural lifespan; in fact, the illegal fishing could be fairly
widespread and still be within the margin of error, I suspect. I don't
think the severity of the problem merits the alarmism in some elements
in this thread.
That said, if there is real concern about the volume of fish being taken
illegally, lets look at the entire rule-enforcement-angler system. Does
everyone know what the rules are? Are the rules available in multiple
languages? Are permits and information accessible to all anglers? I have
my doubts.
If the situation is really so dire, we are not going to get there with
sporadic police raids. Enforcement helps, but ultimately we have to help
create a community of anglers along the river that abides by clear,
well-known rules, and has a capacity to self-enforce those rules within
its community. That, friends, is a thread I'd be interested in seeing
more of.
thanks,
Miles
Nunya Bidnezz wrote:
> I have to say, I'm not so much worried about someone approaching me
> while I'm fishing, because that would be too much like work for your
> average gangbanger. The part that worries me is when I'm walking back
> to my car in the parking area. Most of the bangers have as much idea
> about effectively hiding in the woods along the path as they do
> molecular biology, but carjacking in the parking area? That, I'm fairly
> sure, they are conversant with.
>
> Consequently, when I walk out to the parking area, I have my rod broken
> down and carry the butt with the reel still attached in my right hand,
> holding it by the end away from the grip - sorta like a mace. That big
> large arbor is heavy. I haven't been approached so far, and haven't
> seen anyone loitering around the parking area, though I have seen DC
> park police sitting up there from time to time.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* John Foley <jffo...@gmail.com>
> *To:* Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders <tidal-potoma...@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Wed, May 19, 2010 7:55:53 AM
> *Subject:* Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Illegal Fishing at Chain Bridge
> <mailto:unsub...@googlegroups.com>.
> <mailto:unsub...@googlegroups.com>.
I'm a little concerned by the tone this thread has taken; it seems
unduly speculative, and perhaps a bit colored by unfortunate ethnic
stereotypes. I am worried that we are cultivating a presumption that
"illegal" fishers are criminals through and through, which is unfair and
almost certainly false.
To wit: I seriously doubt MS-13 or La Raza have an interest in Potomac
fisheries or fisherpersons. In the greater Metro DC area, there are far
more lucrative enterprises for criminal gangs; shaking down Anglo
fishermen probably ranks somewhere between digging up Park Service
daffodils and those hand-painted "Lose Weight Fast" signs you see nailed
to utility poles.
I think it far more likely that random, bored Latino kids are spray-
painting the first thing that comes to mind, while their dads and
brothers fish. Given the media attention and the general attitude of
extreme risk-aversion among most law enforcement officers, I'm sure this
is reason enough for them to encourage caution. But caution, like many
good things, can be toxic in large enough doses. After all, you can find
MS-13 tags in some of the campus bathrooms at GWU, but that's not a
reason to give up and poop your pants.
I have been using this river in various capacities for almost a decade,
and I have never had my car so much as broken into. I know people who
have, and it does happen, but it is fairly rare. Lock your doors and
hang on to your wallet. And frankly, despite only a moderate amount of
fishing so far this season, my car already smells so bad that any
would-be carjacker/thief would have to be out of his mind to want it.
(It also helps that I drive a beat-down '92 Volvo).
Back to los pescadores: it is a shame that they do not seem interested
in stewardship of this resource. However, I have seen very little
outreach to this particular demographic to explain why the rules are the
way they are, and which fish are covered. Having law enforcement chase
them away every so often is not a long-term strategy; they (or someone
like them) will come right back.
If we in this club are to be leaders and guardians of the Potomac, we
should do it by promoting it as a river for all to enjoy - which, I
think, cannot be accomplished by allowing prejudice to affect our
interactions with other anglers. Yes, there may be some people abusing
the fishery, but let's leave our minds open to the possibility that they
might be doing so to feed families in the midst of a recession, rather
than postulating some sort of trans-Contintental
shad-for-methamphetamine connection. Our default position should be one
of welcome and concern, not fear and distrust.
I've seen plenty of killed fish out there - and there are definitely
white anglers doing it, too; yet the fishery is still robust enough that
I was able to enjoy several excellent days of fishing. I know that
fisheries science is not an exact, well, science, so let us consider it
possible that not every single fish in the system needs to live out its
natural lifespan; in fact, the illegal fishing could be fairly
widespread and still be within the margin of error, I suspect. I don't
think the severity of the problem merits the alarmism in some elements
in this thread.
That said, if there is real concern about the volume of fish being taken
illegally, lets look at the entire rule-enforcement-angler system. Does
everyone know what the rules are? Are the rules available in multiple
languages? Are permits and information accessible to all anglers? I have
my doubts.
If the situation is really so dire, we are not going to get there with
sporadic police raids. Enforcement helps, but ultimately we have to help
create a community of anglers along the river that abides by clear,
well-known rules, and has a capacity to self-enforce those rules within
its community. That, friends, is a thread I'd be interested in seeing
more of.
thanks,
Miles
Nunya Bidnezz wrote:
> I have to say, I'm not so much worried about someone approaching me
> while I'm fishing, because that would be too much like work for your
> average gangbanger. The part that worries me is when I'm walking back
> to my car in the parking area. Most of the bangers have as much idea
> about effectively hiding in the woods along the path as they do
> molecular biology, but carjacking in the parking area? That, I'm fairly
> sure, they are conversant with.
>
> Consequently, when I walk out to the parking area, I have my rod broken
> down and carry the butt with the reel still attached in my right hand,
> holding it by the end away from the grip - sorta like a mace. That big
> large arbor is heavy. I haven't been approached so far, and haven't
> seen anyone loitering around the parking area, though I have seen DC
> park police sitting up there from time to time.
>
> *From:* John Foley <jffo...@gmail.com>
> *To:* Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders <tidal-potoma...@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Wed, May 19, 2010 7:55:53 AM
> *Subject:* Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Illegal Fishing at Chain Bridge
>
> I did not notice that MS-13 tag early in the season. Maybe the weekend
> before last I did take note so I think it is relatively recent. There
> was a time this season I was there alone on a weeknight and felt
> uneasy. I just left. Didn't even break down my rod. Some young guys
> looking at me as if I were an outsider. And maybe I am! I was actually
> fearful to be robbed. I've never felt that before. And I like that
> area. Bummer.
>
> Ditto what Frank said; be careful. If fishing evenings probably a good
> idea to buddy up. Doesn't seem as much of an issue early mornings.
>
> On May 18, 8:42 am, Frank Polito <thefrank.pol...@gmail.com
> I did not notice that MS-13 tag early in the season. Maybe the weekend
> before last I did take note so I think it is relatively recent. There
> was a time this season I was there alone on a weeknight and felt
> uneasy. I just left. Didn't even break down my rod. Some young guys
> looking at me as if I were an outsider. And maybe I am! I was actually
> fearful to be robbed. I've never felt that before. And I like that
> area. Bummer.
>
> Ditto what Frank said; be careful. If fishing evenings probably a good
> idea to buddy up. Doesn't seem as much of an issue early mornings.
>
> On May 18, 8:42 am, Frank Polito <thefrank.pol...@gmail.com
> <mailto:thefrank.pol...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > I was down at chain bridge about 2 weeks ago and casting into a nice
> > pool when dude starting throwing a net in the same pool I was casting
> > to! However; about thirty minutes later 2 uniformed officers managed
> > to sneak down the back way and catch this netter along with 2 others.
> > I went up and thanked the officers talked to them for a little while.
> > They said that there was a lot of gang activety down here and pointed
> > out some tags for MS-13 and La Raza, which i geuss is at war with MS
> > right now. Their main message for everyone down here was BE
> > CAREFUL!!! and definately don't fish after dark. The river is not
> > worth losing your life over
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> > to! However; about thirty minutes later 2 uniformed officers managed
> > to sneak down the back way and catch this netter along with 2 others.
> > I went up and thanked the officers talked to them for a little while.
> > They said that there was a lot of gang activety down here and pointed
> > out some tags for MS-13 and La Raza, which i geuss is at war with MS
> > right now. Their main message for everyone down here was BE
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John Passacantando
May 19, 2010, 10:32:22 AM5/19/10
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BRAVO! Miles.
John
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Nunya Bidnezz
May 19, 2010, 12:48:11 PM5/19/10
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lol... I agree, Sparkr, but as I'd rather damage my fly rod then be robbed or injured, and whereas DC doesn't permit carrying in any form, this seemed a field-expedient solution :)
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Nunya Bidnezz
May 19, 2010, 1:14:12 PM5/19/10
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Miles,
I take exception to your email. I didn't mention race at any spot in my email, and your intimation that this discussion was based on race is absurd. In fact, you were the first to use the word Latino. I was responding to the gang tagging on the bridge. Gangs tag their operational areas to show ownership and to warn other groups away. I think it says more about you that you assumed I was talking about Latinos than it does about me. I don't care if a gangmember is green, black, brown, white, orange, or purple with chartreuse polka dots, I'd prefer not to be a victim, and to be aware of what they're up to whether they are an immediate threat or not. Gangbangers are opportunistic predators who strike when a target presents itself - very little planning is usually involved. Your implication that people concerned with crime are racists is insulting (which is exactly what you broadcast when
you wrote, "... perhaps a bit colored by unfortunate ethnic stereotypes). As even you note, crime does happen along those fishing areas - people (joggers, fishermen, bicyclists, etc.) are hurt and robbed or worse, and their cars are broken into and sometimes stolen. Being situationally aware is not being against anyone - it's being pro-safety.
And by the way, "illegal" fishers pretty much presumes they're criminals doesn't it? Whether fishing illegally or in the country illegally, they've still committed a crime.
So why not hop down off your high moral horse? There is no reason for you to speak down to anyone on here. Nodoby has stopped fishing at those spots, obviously, and nobody has "poop(ed their) pants" as you so eloquently put it. This is supposed to be a board for exchanging info on fishing and fishing sites, including the safety of using such sites. I think the threat of crime is a realistic one for urban fishermen to consider.
I also lament the fact that one cannot even have a discussion about safety issues anymore without being lectured. Next thing you know, someone will be telling us we really owe the thieves our money as society almost certainly made them (WHOEVER they are) what they are.
Ok, sorry... I'll climb down off my soapbox now. I just get tired of being bombarded by those who think they have a right to tell me how or what to think, even when they don't understand what I was thinking to begin with!
Bryan
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Bravo!!--
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Dan Davala - Founder
May 19, 2010, 1:44:32 PM5/19/10
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At this point I'd say this thread has gotten out of hand. I am at
work and I cannot take the necessary time to comment here, but I
intend to. Personal opinions are one thing, but personal attacks are
another. Let me remind everyone that this is not a National forum
where you will not see the person you are speaking to. This is a
local board and one of mutual respect. Make no mistake, I have much
to say on this. In the meantime, please keep it clean and
respectful.
Thanks to all for contributing their points of view.
Dan
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* M. Townes <mdtow...@gwmail.gwu.edu>
> > *To:* tidal-potoma...@googlegroups.com
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> > > *From:* John Foley <jffole...@gmail.com>
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work and I cannot take the necessary time to comment here, but I
intend to. Personal opinions are one thing, but personal attacks are
another. Let me remind everyone that this is not a National forum
where you will not see the person you are speaking to. This is a
local board and one of mutual respect. Make no mistake, I have much
to say on this. In the meantime, please keep it clean and
respectful.
Thanks to all for contributing their points of view.
Dan
> > *From:* M. Townes <mdtow...@gwmail.gwu.edu>
> > *To:* tidal-potoma...@googlegroups.com
> > *Sent:* Wed, May 19, 2010 10:20:07 AM
>
> > *Subject:* Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Illegal Fishing at Chain Bridge
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Nunya Bidnezz
May 19, 2010, 2:20:36 PM5/19/10
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That's alright, Dan. There's no need.
Vaya con Dios to you all - I hope that you continue to enjoy the great outdoors, and the sport that we all love so much.
Tight lines, good fishing, and God bless
Bryan
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Cheers Miles. I grew up in Arlington, and have fished at Fletcher's for over 25 years. I have never been a victim of crime or had any negative experiences with other fishermen from shore.
The greatest crime that I experienced was getting stood up by another TPFR member at 6:00 AM.
Crime can happen anywhere, Fletcher's, Gravelly Point, Chesapeake, Shenandoah Mountains. Caution and Common Sense should be paramount.
Let's get away from politics, crime, enforcement and back to Fishing -->current hot spots and what's working?
Rob Pallace
May 19, 2010, 2:22:43 PM5/19/10
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Thanks Dan
Rob Pallace
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M. Townes
May 19, 2010, 3:18:18 PM5/19/10
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Apologies, Bryan,
Let me try to ratchet us down a few notches. I should have made clear
that I was not responding specifically to your contributions to the
thread. To be clear: I am fully aware that you did not introduce the
ethnic/racial element into the thread - but nor did I imagine it.
I will reply in detail directly, out of general circulation, but for now
let me say my only goal was to move the thread towards what I felt would
be a more realistic and productive discussion of the problem of "illegal
fishing at chain bridge". I agree this is somewhat a problem, butI still
believe it is one that will not be solved by fear and worry.
In any event, you and I will simply have to admit that we disagree
whether the threat of MS-13 gangbangers attacking fishermen is a
realistic concern for this group. If you feel I am wrong, by no means
should you let that keep you from whatever precautions you feel are
necessary to your personal safety.
thanks,
Miles
Let me try to ratchet us down a few notches. I should have made clear
that I was not responding specifically to your contributions to the
thread. To be clear: I am fully aware that you did not introduce the
ethnic/racial element into the thread - but nor did I imagine it.
I will reply in detail directly, out of general circulation, but for now
let me say my only goal was to move the thread towards what I felt would
be a more realistic and productive discussion of the problem of "illegal
fishing at chain bridge". I agree this is somewhat a problem, butI still
believe it is one that will not be solved by fear and worry.
In any event, you and I will simply have to admit that we disagree
whether the threat of MS-13 gangbangers attacking fishermen is a
realistic concern for this group. If you feel I am wrong, by no means
should you let that keep you from whatever precautions you feel are
necessary to your personal safety.
thanks,
Miles
MBea...@aol.com
May 19, 2010, 2:13:48 PM5/19/10
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Dan, I agree with you completely. I 've enjoyed reading the threads and learned a great deal. There is too much invective in the world : we should be about information and harmony.
Thanks for your efforts
Michael Beall
Stephen Sparks
May 19, 2010, 4:02:19 PM5/19/10
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Well, for one, if an area is unsafe to fish - not being from around this very unique part of the world - I want to know about it and I appreciate the input about both safety on the water and on-land... the thread did get out of hand but the information remains relevant and important, regardless.
sparkr--
Steve
sparkr
Steve
M. Townes
May 19, 2010, 4:15:45 PM5/19/10
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We can address those concerns quite easily by asking around at the
Fletcher's bait shop - or calling; their number is 202-244-0461. As of a
minute ago, they had not heard of any gang activity along the Potomac.
You might also call the Park Police headquarters, at 202-619-7300. Ask
for District 2.
The officer I spoke to a moment ago informs me that there is not a heavy
gang presence along the canal and river, and that I "should be fine"
without any taking any special precautions (and I told him I was often
alone out there around dusk).
He said that if we see anyone behaving suspiciously, we should call the
above number and report it, and the Park Police will send out a unit.
safe fishing,
Miles
Stephen Sparks wrote:
> Well, for one, if an area is unsafe to fish - not being from around this
> very unique part of the world - I want to know about it and I appreciate
> the input about both safety on the water and on-land... the thread did
> get out of hand but the information remains relevant and important,
> regardless.
>
> sparkr
>
Fletcher's bait shop - or calling; their number is 202-244-0461. As of a
minute ago, they had not heard of any gang activity along the Potomac.
You might also call the Park Police headquarters, at 202-619-7300. Ask
for District 2.
The officer I spoke to a moment ago informs me that there is not a heavy
gang presence along the canal and river, and that I "should be fine"
without any taking any special precautions (and I told him I was often
alone out there around dusk).
He said that if we see anyone behaving suspiciously, we should call the
above number and report it, and the Park Police will send out a unit.
safe fishing,
Miles
Stephen Sparks wrote:
> Well, for one, if an area is unsafe to fish - not being from around this
> very unique part of the world - I want to know about it and I appreciate
> the input about both safety on the water and on-land... the thread did
> get out of hand but the information remains relevant and important,
> regardless.
>
> sparkr
>
Stephen Sparks
May 19, 2010, 4:19:41 PM5/19/10
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This certainly differs from what other posts have said about the issues at Chain bridge... for me it's not worth trying to figure out who to believe... I'd rather fish where there is no controversy, or potential issues, to begin with.--
Steve
Steve
Rob Snowhite
May 22, 2010, 1:27:59 PM5/22/10
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I drove the Miata to CB yesterday and parked on the DC side. Left the
top down and I have actually never locked the car. We don't keep any
valuables in it.
Get back to my car a little after 7pm to find the glove box ripped out
of the dashboard and its contents all over my car (registration
papers, ipod charger, sharpees etc)
Now get this, our glove box was broken and the replacement came from
ebay yesterday. These punks saved me the time and effort of having to
remove the broken glove box from my car!
~rob
top down and I have actually never locked the car. We don't keep any
valuables in it.
Get back to my car a little after 7pm to find the glove box ripped out
of the dashboard and its contents all over my car (registration
papers, ipod charger, sharpees etc)
Now get this, our glove box was broken and the replacement came from
ebay yesterday. These punks saved me the time and effort of having to
remove the broken glove box from my car!
~rob
Stephen Sparks
May 22, 2010, 1:50:01 PM5/22/10
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And they didn't charge you for it!!!! I guess there's a bright side to most anything...;)
sparkr--
Steve
sparkr
Steve
Augie Ripa
May 23, 2010, 5:39:40 PM5/23/10
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Just getting back from out of town, so am late to this thread. But, I think the topic most germane to this board is the health and quality of the river. Of course - we all live in a major metro area and crime happens, and can happen, anywhere. Since we frequent low traffic (even isolated) spots at dusk, we should maintain situational awareness and keep our wits about us--as we should in any part of the city. Unfortunately, maybe this is more true here than on the Madison River in YNP--but such is life. In reality, how different is keeping such awareness at chain bridge than doing so when walking home from a bar at 1am in town? I think its a "populated area" thing, not an illegal fisher-person thing.
As for the river, I think it goes without saying that we all see too much trash accumulating at Chain Bridge, and it is a sad situation in that regard. I personally have not seen anyone leaving the trash so can't really point any fingers (and am not that interested in doing so because trash is trash no matter who leaves it). I certainly think more enforcement / patrolling could help the littering problem. I think efforts to raise the respective agencies' awareness of the littering situation could be fruitful, but otherwise just lamenting a lack of enforcement or fingerpointing at who we think is doing it is an easy way out for us and won't solve that much.
As self proclaimed stewards of the river, we could do volunteer cleanup days as a group where members show up to the CB area, pick up what we can, bag it out, and then fish. I've done this before at creeks in my hometown in PA (pulling tires out of creek mud will get you to break a sweat). Sure, we shouldn't have to do that because people shouldn't be so inconsiderate to so blatantly pollute our natural resource--but this is the world in which we live. I think groups have been doing similar efforts on the Anacostia, but I'm not sure. I for one would be first in line if we had a cleanup / fish event at Chain Bridge. We could even coordinate it with some of the local agencies to make it "official." Just a thought.
As far as fishing methods go, I guess I'm just less concerned about that because I don't really know the rules on what type of netting is allowed v. not allowed. I also imagine that even illegal netting methods do less harm to the area than leaving plastic bags ...etc around, so if we decide to focus on an issue as a group, I would say that the trash issue is more important in my opinion. I also think focusing on fishing methods plays into the "fly rodders v. everyone else" conflict that we want to avoid. Trash is trash - and I think everyone should be able to get their heads around efforts at fighting trash buildup.
As for the river, I think it goes without saying that we all see too much trash accumulating at Chain Bridge, and it is a sad situation in that regard. I personally have not seen anyone leaving the trash so can't really point any fingers (and am not that interested in doing so because trash is trash no matter who leaves it). I certainly think more enforcement / patrolling could help the littering problem. I think efforts to raise the respective agencies' awareness of the littering situation could be fruitful, but otherwise just lamenting a lack of enforcement or fingerpointing at who we think is doing it is an easy way out for us and won't solve that much.
As self proclaimed stewards of the river, we could do volunteer cleanup days as a group where members show up to the CB area, pick up what we can, bag it out, and then fish. I've done this before at creeks in my hometown in PA (pulling tires out of creek mud will get you to break a sweat). Sure, we shouldn't have to do that because people shouldn't be so inconsiderate to so blatantly pollute our natural resource--but this is the world in which we live. I think groups have been doing similar efforts on the Anacostia, but I'm not sure. I for one would be first in line if we had a cleanup / fish event at Chain Bridge. We could even coordinate it with some of the local agencies to make it "official." Just a thought.
As far as fishing methods go, I guess I'm just less concerned about that because I don't really know the rules on what type of netting is allowed v. not allowed. I also imagine that even illegal netting methods do less harm to the area than leaving plastic bags ...etc around, so if we decide to focus on an issue as a group, I would say that the trash issue is more important in my opinion. I also think focusing on fishing methods plays into the "fly rodders v. everyone else" conflict that we want to avoid. Trash is trash - and I think everyone should be able to get their heads around efforts at fighting trash buildup.
stan...@gmail.com
May 23, 2010, 5:43:30 PM5/23/10
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To my mind, a very well considered response.
Stan
Stan
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From: Augie Ripa <augie...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 17:39:40 -0400
Subject: Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Illegal Fishing at Chain Bridge
Paul Brooks
May 23, 2010, 7:33:37 PM5/23/10
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I was teaching my wife to roll cast, when I experienced a ‘first’…catching brown water snake on a fly. He initially struck at blue beetle fly and wound up getting foul hooked in the mid section. He was a fun fight on my 4wt. Unfortunately, the little fella didn’t make it…
These are the best pics of the event I have.
Just wondering what other unique items (mammals, reptiles, or debris) members may have caught on a fly?
Cheers,
Paul
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