TI-92 Plus Conectivity question

[Daniel Yoder]

Hi All,

I am confused about what software and drivers to use with the above calculator.

I purchased a graph-link and downloaded TI-Connect ver 4.0 do I use graph link or silver link hardware? Do you have to install the driver for the graph link hardware or does it come with the Connectivity software.

I bought a Voyager 200 as well, the graph link and Voyager are not here yet.

Thanks Dan

[Lionel Debroux]

Hi Daniel,

Use the SilverLink, unless you have a very old computer with a real DB9
port.
TI-Connect will install the appropriate driver for the SilverLink.
If you're using Windows, I hope you haven't plugged the SilverLink into
the USB port before installing TI-Connect; otherwise, you'll have to
unplug the SilverLink, manually uninstall the wrong driver chosen by
Windows, install TI-Connect, plug the SilverLink back in, with a
sprinkling of reboot somewhere.


Bye,
Lionel.

[Dan Yoder]

Thanks Lionel, I have the software installed just waiting on the silver link. That TI Connect software is really nice a 54 page manual and all. Can TI Basic be run and compiled on a computer?

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[Lionel Debroux]

Hi again,

> Can TI Basic be run and compiled on a computer?

TI-68k/AMS BASIC can be run from within a TI-68k emulator running on the
computer, and it can be edited by e.g. Daisuke Basic Edit or TI-Edit.


Bye,
Lionel.

[Daniel Yoder]

Thanks Lionel, I have seen your name on some ROM download files. I really appreciate your help and time. Are you telling me that I need a virtual 92 + on my computer to write, edit and create TI basic programs?

I had one that only half worked, I think that the Gtk runtime did not install correctly, i have windows 7.

I then found another virtual program and it need a ROM dump, and my graph link I bought on Ebay has not even shipped yet. So i will take this time to read and learn. My TI editor did not load either. With TI editor can you write, and run or just edit?

Can you write a TI basic program with a text editor and run it with a downloaded program? I remember 25 years ago using GW Basic you could do that.

Thanks Dan

Bye,
Lionel.

[Lionel Debroux]

Hi Daniel,

TI Program Editor, Daisuke Basic Edit and TI-Edit are computer-side
editors, which can read, modify and write TI-Basic programs, but not
execute them. There's no computer-side TI-Basic interpreter other than a
full-blown emulator.

Unlike TI-Z80 emulation, TI-68k emulation doesn't require a full ROM
dump, or even a fake boot code ala BootFree, for day to day usage.
TI-68k OS upgrade files freely downloadable from TI's website do the trick.


Bye,
Lionel.

[Dan Yoder]

Thanks again I got the program edit and help file from Daisuke looks nice. Is my CPU a 68k or a mc68ec000 is my cpu in the 92 plus 10 or 12 Meg's

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[Daniel Yoder]

Hi Lionel,

I'm sorry to keep bugging you, but I just need a few more hints about all of this. I downloaded a program called VTI ver 25 beta 5 it has a ROM Wizard and requires a ROM dump.

When I ran TiEmu3-gdb it worked but the virtual calculator only half works. Also GTK+ won't load it says will not download.

This won't run either.

Bye,
Lionel.

[Lionel Debroux]

> Is my CPU a 68k or a mc68ec000 is my cpu in the 92 plus 10 or 12
> Meg's

All of the TI-68k series uses a 68000, yeah. But TI-68k is shorter than
TI-68000 :)

* TI-68k calculators of the first hardware model ("HW1") use a CPU whose
_effective_ speed is closer to ~10 MHz, due to the LCD's DMA.
* newer "HW2" calculators use bus snooping for the LCD controller, and a
~12 MHz CPU.
* the CPU in 89T (HW3, HW4) calculators was originally said to be
slightly faster than that, but some of these first 89T speed
measurements were affected by a benchmarking error.


Bye,
Lionel.

[Lionel Debroux]

Hi,

> When I ran TiEmu3-gdb it worked but the virtual calculator only half
> works. Also GTK+ won't load it says will not download.

Try downloading the GTK+ runtime installer (2.12.9) directly from
http://gladewin32.sourceforge.net .


Bye,
Lionel.

[Daniel Yoder]

I got this before: Thanks I think it is a win 7 issue. Did you say that TI Connect will not work with the silver link.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/331645608340?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Bye,
Lionel.

[Lionel Debroux]

Hi,

TI-Connect does obviously work with one SilverLink, but I've never
checked by myself that it can deal with two calculators both connected
through SilverLinks simultaneously.
As I mentioned, this is a pretty infrequent use case, though :)


Bye,
Lionel.

[Daniel Yoder]

Yea I read in the TI Connect manual that you can connect two but only one is on line at a time but you can bounce back and forth. Can you make the Voyage 200 share files with the 92+ buy using the computer as a liasion?

I have a question about a book i see on Ebay that is blue and white with an X on the cover, is this different and of use or is it the 92 guidebook with a fancy cover?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Texas-Instruments-TI-92-Graphing-Calculator-with-Book-and-Cover-/151797435448?hash=item2357d50c38

Bye,
Lionel.

[Lionel Debroux]

Hi,

> Yea I read in the TI Connect manual that you can connect two but only
> one is on line at a time but you can bounce back and forth.

Alright.

> Can you make the Voyage 200 share files with the 92+ buy using the
> computer as a liasion?

Yeah, that's what I suggested previously: transfer the files from one
calculator to the computer, then transfer the files from the computer to
the other calculator.

> I have a question about a book i see on Ebay that is blue and white
> with an X on the cover, is this different and of use or is it the 92
> guidebook with a fancy cover?
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Texas-Instruments-TI-92-Graphing-Calculator-with-Book-and-Cover-/151797435448?hash=item2357d50c38

That is indeed the 92 guidebook accompanying an old non-Plus 92, both of
which should be avoided.
Some of that guidebook applies to the 92+ as well, but the 92+ Guidebook
would be a better pick.


Bye,
Lionel.

[Daniel Yoder]

I got a guidebook for the module by mistake. Looks like i will have two links the first one just shipped after a 17 day wait.

ORDER DATE

Sep 07, 2015

I will leave one at work or just sell one. I got my Voyage 200 last night really nice. I learned how to fing the resonant freq of a tanl circuit yesterday. I want to write a program that will prompt me for the L and C values can a variable hold a number in scientific notation?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/331642959642?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Bye,
Lionel.

[Dan Yoder]

Hi Lionel will a view screen make readable larger screen for viewing or do you need an overhead projector?
Will a TI presenter work on a computer monitor?

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[Daniel Yoder]

Hi Lionel,

Got my silver link yesterday having lots of fun. Would this help me to learn TI basic on the 92 Plus? Do they sell any books on the voyage 200 or the 92 just for programming?

Thanks

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Programming-the-TI-83-Plus-TI-84-Plus-by-Christopher-R-Mitchell-2012-/311344422118?hash=item487d92dce6

[Lionel Debroux]

Hi Daniel,

> Got my silver link yesterday having lots of fun.

Good.

> Would this help me to learn TI basic on the 92 Plus? Do they sell any
> books on the voyage 200 or the 92 just for programming?

I must say it's been over a decade since I programmed in TI-Basic, and I
quit programming reasonably complex TI-Basic programs in 2001 (when I
switched to C+ASM because they're faster and more powerful).

I can't think of a TI-68k equivalent to the book you found for the
TI-Z80 series. Other readers, perhaps ?


Bye,
Lionel.

[Daniel Yoder]

Hi Lionel,

Can you explain these results: The folders below what is Arching? Is that an archiving folder, is main an operating system folder?

 

Thanks

Arching

Elecbasc

main

 

                                          TI-92 Plus using TI-Connect 4.0.0.218

 

Device Info:

 

Voyage 200

ID          N/A

OS         2.09

BIOS     1.06

RAM    256 kB

RAM available     N/A

Battery                Good

 

Installed Apps:

 

TISMG

dvEEPro

 

Folders:

 

Arching

Elecbasc

main

 

 

TIEMU Requirements

 

RAM Dump

GTK+ 2.6

[Lionel Debroux]

Hi Daniel,

> Can you explain these results: The folders below what is Arching?

No idea, but...

> Is that an archiving folder,

Nope.

> is main an operating system folder?

main is the only mandatory folder, but it's not reserved for the OS.

> TIEMU Requirements
>
> RAM Dump
TIEmu doesn't require either a ROM dump (OS upgrade files freely
downloadable from TI's website are enough for every purpose that matters
to you) or a RAM dump (no tools produce exactly that, to begin with).


Bye,
Lionel.

[Daniel Yoder]

Thanks Lionel,

1) Why does it think that it is a Voyage 200

2) Why no ID and Ram available amount?

Bye,
Lionel.

[Daniel Yoder]

Sorry I forgot this question. Back in the day we had XT's and Sinclar's with trash eighties and so on. If i remember correctly a few of them had the Motorola 68K cpu. is this the same exact cpu that the 92+ has?

And if so why can't we program using GW Basic or Quick Basic or just plain old Basic? Did these machines have supporting chips with interpreters on them? I don't understand why my emulators are looking for a ROM dump and we have Fargo II and other software to help you get a ROM dump, and you tell me I don't need one. My two emulators do not work at all and I can't figure out why.

Thanks I found your personal email and it ended in .fr but it did not work.

danyoder dot cs at gee male dot calm

[Lionel Debroux]

Hi,

> 1) Why does it think that it is a Voyage 200
> 2) Why no ID and Ram available amount?

Not sure.

> Sorry I forgot this question. Back in the day we had XT's and
> Sinclar's with trash eighties and so on. If i remember correctly a
> few of them had the Motorola 68K cpu. is this the same exact cpu that
> the 92+ has?

Yes, a number of 1980s computers are based on 68000 CPUs, or later
members of the 68k family.

> And if so why can't we program using GW Basic or Quick Basic or just >
plain old Basic?

Because nobody ported / reimplemented these ones for the TI-68k/AMS
platform. However, GFA Basic was reimplemented by Geoffrey "geogeo"
Anneheim for the TI-68k/AMS platform.
The processor is one thing; the accompanying devices and the software
environment are another one :)

> Did these machines have supporting chips with interpreters on them?

I'm not qualified enough about most 1980s computers, but I'd reply "no".

> I don't understand why my emulators are looking for a ROM dump and we
> have Fargo II and other software to help you get a ROM dump, and you
> tell me I don't need one.

Both TIEmu and VTI import the freely downloadable OS upgrades just fine.
From those, they build image files in their own format.


Bye,
Lionel.

[Dan Yoder]

Hi Lionel do u live in France

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[Daniel Yoder]

Hi Lionel, I just bought a TI keyboard and cradle to hold the calculator does a 89 have a 2.4 mm female jack in the bottom of the calculator?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/121715429428?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Bye,
Lionel.

[Lionel Debroux]

Hi Daniel,

> do u live in France

Indeed, I do, but this is off-topic for the purposes of this list :)

> I just bought a TI keyboard and cradle to hold the calculator
> does a 89 have a 2.4 mm female jack in the bottom of the calculator?

Yes, it has a 2.5mm female stereo proprietary jack in that spot.
The 89T (twice the total amount of Flash, additional direct USB port)
has it on the top.


Bye,
Lionel.

[Daniel Yoder]

So both the 89 and the 89T have the 2.5mm female stereo proprietary jack in that spot?

Either I am a little slow or you guys know something that i have not uncovered yet. So far I have hve spent two weeks trying to install emulators and 68K editors with no luck.

I did get the French one to load and run but it is over my head and in French. I found that many other people have the same issuse and problems. Does anybody really use these programs and if so what OS do they run them on?

Here is a list of my missing files or popups.

missing libticables.dll

can't parse folder

searching for ROM dump

i can't install TIemu 3.03 or tilp II or VTI

I did install gtk+ 2.6

All I really want to do is edit and run 68K programs on my computer

What is the difference between using the TI Connect software apposed to using TiLP the only reason I know of is the TiLP will allow you to do a ROM dump so Tiemu will quit looking for one, please advise

Bye,
Lionel.

[Lionel Debroux]

Hi,

> So both the 89 and the 89T have the 2.5mm female stereo proprietary
> jack in that spot?

As I wrote, the 89T's 2.5mm female stereo proprietary jack is on the
top, not on the bottom.

> Either I am a little slow or you guys know something that i have not
> uncovered yet. So far I have hve spent two weeks trying to install
> emulators and 68K editors with no luck.
> I did get the French one to load and run but it is over my head and
> in French. I found that many other people have the same issuse and
> problems. Does anybody really use these programs

Fairly few people do, nowadays.

> and if so what OS do they run them on?

Linux, as far as I'm concerned, even for VTI, which works well under Wine.

> Here is a list of my missing files or popups.
> missing libticables.dll
> can't parse folder
> searching for ROM dump
>
> i can't install TIemu 3.03 or tilp II or VTI
>
> I did install gtk+ 2.6

Try the slightly newer build,
http://lpg.ticalc.org/prj_tiemu/downloads/setup.exe ,
which is built against GTK+ 2.12 from gladewin32.sf.net (so you'll have
to install that instead of creaky old GTK+ 2.6). It should help against
the first error.

> All I really want to do is edit and run 68K programs on my computer

> What is the difference between using the TI Connect software apposed
> to using TiLP the only reason I know of is the TiLP will allow you
> to do a ROM dump so Tiemu will quit looking for one, please advise

Repeat after me: you do not need a ROM dump for either TIEmu or VTI, as
I've already outlined - they will happily import OS upgrade files ;)


Bye,
Lionel.