Twenty five crucial pebbles and related questions

[Kees de Nobel]

For example 4.6
 
I use ( as in example 4.4 )
Subject    Earth Snake 1989 Tibetan month 10 day 1  05:00 ( month 10 must be used to get the Iron Ox. 0500 for the Hare hour )
Father     Wood Snake 1965 Tibetan month 5 day 17
Mother   Wood Snake 1965 Tibetan month 9 day 26

resulting in:

Four precious pebbles

Basis of contrast			Pebble
King pebble natal year	Earth Snake	Vitality : Fire	X
Minister pebble of natal month	Iron Ox	Body : Earth	O
Soldier pebble of natal day	Water Monkey	Destiny : Water	O
Weapon pebble of natal hour	Wood Hare	Luck : Fire	X

The previous table is what I have calculated and I cannot compare this calculation as there is no example.
Is this correct ?

When I calculate for example 4.1
I use subject Iron Sheep 1931 Tibetan month 4 day 14 05:00 which gives me:
natal year Iron Sheep    Vitality : Fire
natal month Fire Sheep    Body : Water
natal day Wood Bird   Destiny : Wood    ( in the example destiny : Iron. I thought destiny for Wood Bird is Wood )
natal hour Fire Hare    Luck : Fire    ( in the example Water Hare based upon natal day Wood Bird I expected Fire Hare. As it is the Hare hour it is the first child of Wood which is Fire )
Is this correct too ?

Five pebbles indicative of unchanging luck

		Vitality	Body	Destiny	Luck	Pebble
Father's logmen	Iron Tiger	Wood	Wood	Iron	Iron	O
Mother's logmen	Earth Monkey	Iron	Earth	Earth	Wood	X
Mother's current trigram	Khön 2	Earth	Earth	Earth	Earth	X
Mother's current numeric square	Red9	Iron	Fire	Water	Iron	X
Natal Month	Iron Ox	Earth	Earth	Iron	Water	O

differences with the example:
1.
In the example Mother's current trigram is Khön but Vitality, Body, Destiny and luck are given as Water.
I thought that Khön's element was Earth.
How do you calculate the Vitality, Body, Destiny and Luck is Water ?                                                    
  
2.
In the example Mother's current numeric square is Black2.
The Wood Snake 1965 has White8 as natal numeric square number. Looking into the table at page 103 and also my calculations for 1989 the current numeric square must be Red9.
Am I correct ?

The pebbles indicative for the hundred demons
Here I only have differences due to implementation calculation difference of Mother's current trigram and Mothers current numeric square.

Four pebbles representing sectors of growth and decline

Subject's four aspects	Current sign	Predicted sector	Pebble
Vitality : Fire	Year : Snake	work	OOO
Body : Earth	Month : Ox	decline	XX
Power : Water	Day : Monkey	birth	O
Luck : Fire	Hour : Hare	ablution	OO

Is this correct ?

Rearranged pebbles no problem as this is just presenting previous calculated things in a different way.

Now example 4.6
  
The twenty five crucial pebbles representing the sectors of growth and decline

Am I correct when you have to look at the relation between the subject's vitality, body, destiny, luck and constitutional type elements and the year, month, hour and day element or what ?
When there is an Identity, Mother, Son, Friend or Enemy relation an O and otherwise an X ?
E.g.

	Vitality : Fire					Body : Earth	Destiny: Water
	Identity	Mother	Son	Friend	Enemy
Year : Earth	X	O or X	X or O	X	X
Month : Iron
Day : Water
Hour : Wood

Fire is mother of Earth so an O or the other way around ? Earth is a son of Fire so an X ?

I understand:
for Vitality you look at the Year and place the pebbles at Identity, etc.
for Body you look at Month and place the pebbles at Identity, etc.
for Destiny you look at Day, etc., etc.

Please explain what to do here as I do not understand the example.

Natal years were already in the existing horoscope.
Sexagenary years were already in the existing horoscope.


Kees

[ogyen tenzang]

Dear Kees,

I finally got a copy of Gyurme Dorje's book (i borrowed the one from Men-tsee-khang's, probably the only copy in India!) so i should be able to start helping you more consistently. Could you re-send me all your unanswered questions until now, if possible together with their reference in the book? I'll get back to you Friday evening...

Cheers,

tenzang

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