Hotmail opens pop3

[plnk]

Hi,

I has used this extensions for couple of years but today I read that
hotmail now comes with pop3. I try it and it worked fine.


POP3 with SSL: pop3.live.com
SMTP: smtp.live.com
User: tu dirección...@hotmail.com

Sorry for my english

[alanrf]

Hotmail promised to open up free POP/SMTP access quite a long time
ago.

It is possible that they are doing this in certain regions where they
are competing with local free Yahoo for example or it may reflect that
this is a paid for Hotmail Plus account that has always had POP/SMTP
server access.

It just tried this with a free Hotmail account here in the US and the
response was "pop3.live.com responded user does not have pop access".

[djmaniak777]

the details are here
http://windowslivewire.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!2F7EB29B42641D59!32413.entry
http://windowslivehelp.com/solutions/settings/archive/2009/01/13/pop3-availability-in-windows-live-hotmail.aspx
http://windowslivehelp.com/solutions/settings/archive/2009/01/06/send-and-receive-windows-live-hotmail-emails-from-a-mail-client.aspx

[Chris Clifton]

Well I've tried this with my UK based Hotmail.com account. I can receive
mails, but haven't yet been able to send through smtp.live.com.

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[astro]

I couldn't send on the default port 25 (either TLS or SSL), however
setting the smtp server to port 587 and TLS only seems to work fine
for some reason. Not sure why this would be the case since I've never
had any issues with port 25 on my ISP before, so I can only assume the
problem is with hotmail itself.

On Jan 18, 7:58 am, Chris Clifton <gro...@talktalk.net> wrote:
> Well I've tried this with my UK based Hotmail.com account. I can receive
> mails, but haven't yet been able to send through smtp.live.com.
>
>
>
> djmaniak777 wrote:
> > the details are here

> >http://windowslivewire.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!2F7EB29B42641D59!3241...
> >http://windowslivehelp.com/solutions/settings/archive/2009/01/13/pop3...
> >http://windowslivehelp.com/solutions/settings/archive/2009/01/06/send...

[Chris Clifton]

That does the trick! same security and port number settings as Gmail.

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[hagatha]

Does this work with Thunderbird & Hotmail.... on a PC?

hagatha

[Chris Clifton]

Yup! If you're in one of the countries listed in the pages djmaniak777
linked to;

<http://windowslivewire.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!2F7EB29B42641D59!32413.entry>
<http://windowslivehelp.com/solutions/settings/archive/2009/01/13/pop3-availability-in-windows-live-hotmail.aspx>
<http://windowslivehelp.com/solutions/settings/archive/2009/01/06/send-and-receive-windows-live-hotmail-emails-from-a-mail-client.aspx>

Hotmail is now giving free POP3 access. It doesn't matter what email
client or operating system you use you can get your Hotmail without any
extra software.
I'd guess that some people behind corporate firewalls may still need the
extensions, just as some people need them for Gmail. As Hotmail roll
this out worldwide, we'll all be able to read our Hotmail in any email
client of our choice.

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[alanrf]

As usual MS decideds not to follow the rules. Port 25 is the de facto
standard for unsecured SMTP.

Some antivirus products that scan email outbound make this assumption
and prevent the secure connection being made. I know that this is the
case with avast. Any avast user who wants the work around (other than
the one given above) so that port 25 can be used with a secure
connection let me know.

On Jan 18, 8:09 am, Chris Clifton <gro...@talktalk.net> wrote:
> Yup! If you're in one of the countries listed in the pages djmaniak777
> linked to;

[Chris Clifton]

It is secured SMTP, TLS, but MS say in their instructions to use port
25, which is the default in Thunderbird, which doesn't work. Interesting
to note that Google also use TLS and port 587 for their SMTP.

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[Seb]

It does work, but I'm wondering if I can still sort my emails with the
filters using headers, and if I can even download folders other than
the inbox...

[Chris Clifton]

I don't know about other folders, I've only got the inbox in my Hotmail.
You can set up filters to work on pretty much any information in the
headers, if Hotmail doesn't add folder information, then you should be
able to set up filters in TB that work in a similar way to any filters
you have in Hotmail.

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[alanrf]

The POP protocol recognizes no folders on the server. So if you want
to continue downloading from custom folders on Hotmail to Thunderbird
you would need to continue using this extension. If you choose to use
the POP server of Hotmail then you will only be able to download from
the Inbox of Hotmail.

In Windows Live Mail (if you choose to use that rather than
Thunderbird) you would get an IMAP like experience with Hotmail
accounts where you would see and could manage all the folders of
Hotmail.

[Chris Clifton]

Just tested this, if a mail is in a custom folder on Hotmail, it doesn't
get downloaded using POP.

alanrf wrote:
> POP recognizes no folder information. It is designed to only download
> from the Inbox of the server.

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[Aaron Kelley]

I am assuming that, when using pop3.live.com, you also are not able to
download messages that Hotmail classifies as junk? If it's not
inconvenient, can someone tell us how this behaves? I have a US
account so I can't use the free POP access yet.

I ask because, it's annoying to have to log in to the web interface to
check for mail accidentally classified as junk, and I think they've
removed the option to completely disable the junk filter in Hotmail.
I'd rather just download all the mail and filter it client-side. This
is why I really appreciate the Webmail extension's option to also
download the junk folder. :-)

[Chris Clifton]

I don't recall whether I've had any mail marked as junk since using
pop3.live.com. I'm fairly certain that if I had, it wouldn't be downloaded.
In fact I've just checked and there is a junk mail on the website which
hasn't been downloaded. The only options for the junk filter seem to be
how aggressive it is, nothing that allows you to turn it off or tag junk
but leave it in your inbox.

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[alanrf]

Let's try this again ... slowly.

The POP protocol as available with the new free Hotmail POP/SMTP
servers allows download o_n_l_y from the Inbox on the mail server.
That means it c_a_n_n_n_o_t as in ever download from any other
folder , be it junk, sent or your favorite folder. Remember too that
POP3 recognizes no "read" status on the server ... so no more of those
"download only unread messages" options. Also remember that the new
free SMTP server will *not* save your messages sent from Thunderbird
in the "Sent" folder on Hotmail.

If you want "special processing" then stick with the Hotmail
extension ... if you want basic ... always works ... reliable .. then
the POP server is for you.

[christopher]

Is there a way to download emails from Outbox?
I know it doesn't work with POP, but is it possible with TB+addons ?

[alanrf]

Can we be sure of your need?

1) Do you want your sent mail downloaded from Hotmail to Thunderbird?

or

2) Do you want your sent mail uploaded from Thunderbird to Hotmail?

If your answer is (1) then the Hotmail add-on allows you to specify
folders that you want downloaded.

I just tested with a free Hotmail account - specified the Sent folder
in the Hotmail POP options of the Hotmail add-on and it downloaded the
messages in the Sent folder.

Be aware that the POP protocol rules that emails can only be
downloaded to the Inbox of the mail client (in this case Thunderbird)
so you would need to create a filter in Thunderbird to recognize the X-
Folder header that the Hotmail extension inserts in the message. That
header contains the name of the folder from which the message came adn
you can use it move the message to your desired folder in
Thunderbird.

If your answer is (2) then you can set the option in Hotmail itself
(email options) to save all messages sent. After that all emails sent
through Hotmail using the Hotmail add-on will be saved on Hotmail. No
immediate way comes to mind to send all existing messages in the
Thunderbird Sent folder to Hotmail.

[Chris R]

i just tried it from the us and can send and receive just fine

[alanrf]

What did you just try?

[Chris R]

That didn't make much sense... sorry.

I reconfigured TB and my hotmail account to use pop3 from w/in the US
and it is working fine, sending and receiving email.

language setting (set by logging in to hotmail) is "English" and my
general.useragent.local is set to en-US.

found some helpful articles:

1) http://windowslivewire.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!2F7EB29B42641D59!32413.entry
2) http://windowslivehelp.com/solutions/settings/archive/2009/01/06/send-and-receive-windows-live-hotmail-emails-from-a-mail-client.aspx

[Chris R]

Sorry... that didn't make much sense, did it?

I changed my settings to use pop3 to get my email from hotmail, and I
can send and receive my mail just fine. My hotmail language setting is
"English" ( you have to log in to your hotmail account through your
browser to set this). In about:config (access via Options > Advanced >
General tab > click Config Editor...) Preference Name:
general.useragent.local Value: en-US.
I did find some discussion regarding changing your language settings
to UK english, if you still cannot send/receive email from the US.

here are my settings for anyone who wants to try it out.
Incoming (pop3) email settings
----------------------------------
Server Name: pop3.live.com Port: 995
User Name: em...@hotmail.com

Security Settings
Use secure connection: SSL

Incoming (SMTP) settings
--------------------------------------
Description:
Server Name: smtp.live.com
Port: 25
User Name: em...@hotmail.com
Secure Connection: TLS (if available)

I also found a couple articles that may be useful:
1) http://windowslivehelp.com/solutions/settings/archive/2009/01/06/send-and-receive-windows-live-hotmail-emails-from-a-mail-client.aspx

2) http://windowslivewire.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!2F7EB29B42641D59!32413.entry

There may be some useful comments at the end of the second page linked
above.

I hope this helps... however, this also removes the need for the
webmail extension. Sorry webmail author, i know you have worked hard
on this plugin, and you, alanrf have worked hard trying to help people
with the extension and their problems regarding the extension.

On Jan 29, 9:07 pm, alanrf <alan...@gmail.com> wrote: