2nd race report

[Hristo]

Well, that was frustrating. Again, some people just don't follow the
SIMPLE starting procedure. I don't think we'll ever have rolling
starts again, even on ovals. It's downright ridiculous to try and
explain the same thing 10 times before each oval event and still have
people who refuse to even read it.

The other thing that was frustrating was, for me personally in the
race, Dave's completely unnecessary aggressive driving early on,
before the first pitstops.

Dave, I dunno what gives, but what's with all the weaving, blocking
and defensive lines so early in the race? Not only I had to avoid your
car like 5 times, but because of that Dom had no option but to spin
off. Not to mention it only slowed us all down and we never used each
other's slipstream to actually gain speed.

If you think that's racing, I don't. It's down right silly and
completely uncalled for. You had the fastest car, you didn't have to
defend like mad, so I don't get it. I don't mind losing, you obviously
deserved to win both races being the fastest driver around, but why
spoil the racing itself?

Well, I got so frustrated that I decided to switch to your own tactics
so you see how it feels. Until the last corner anyway, when I simply
kept my line. And I won't mention your pit exits...

Anyway, I'll keep the memories of the first start and forget this one.

Grats and thanks to all who participated in the series, it's been a
bit of an up and down season, partially my fault of course, but I will
try to improve things further on. Keep in touch to get updates.

Cheers and looking forward to next season,

-=Hristo=-

[DS Purdy]

On my screen you were the one doing all the crazy moves.! I don't appreciate
you being such a poor loser that you called me an asshole. That is
inexcuseable. You don't seem to understand either that I an 64 years old and
made two errors at times, and in this case on the pit exits. At least they
weren't as bad as my pit entries in the first race. I try to keep my errors
down as much as I can, but to suggest that I am intentionally weaving in an
ONLINE race across the world, is just being what you are accusing me of
being. I am just doing my best to stay on the line that I chose to run,
which is basically by the white line. I am fast on an oval like this because
I am smooth. I am NOT weaving around as you suggest. Look to yourself, or
maybe warping before you go shooting your mouth off. :-(

As the insult that Hristo threw at me art the end of the second race is just
too much for me. I won't participate in any more races with Mr poor sport,
Hristo. Count me out. And if that includes the Screamers league, so be it! I
have no interest in being on the same track with an insulting person like
you Hristo.

Good bye!

Dave

[Dom77mu]

My off was my mistake. We need to chose better ovals with decent
pitline exit roads not the mickey mouse one we had last night. If you
guys dont want kamikaze antics well stick to daytona 1970 track,
orchard lake road course or something half baked oval/road combo. Hope
some heads cool off and we can fix these problems together. Im no fan
of oval racing especially the fast ones that why i watched you guys
slug it out LOL

Dom

[BoBruce]

well one never wants to see harsh words or have bad feelings, esp in a
hobby such as online racing.
there are many factors that can affect our races.
i did not know Dom was WLAN.. i'm surprised you can race at all with
that kind of connection.

Hristo... the frustration of the starts must have had you fit to be tied
by the time the 2d race ended.
but i think the two hats (race admin and racer) needed to be separate
emails :(

i followed Dave in race 1 and tho i thought there was some side to side
movement, i think i could have made a pass if i wanted to - which i did
not. i have not watched the replay from race 2, so i don't know if my
reference has any merit. but being one who rarely makes a pass,
compared to one who passes constantly could make our frame of reference
different.
still, i think a personal email to Dave to exchange views on the subject
would have benefited everyone.

Dave... don't quit.
you have to take into account Hristo's nerves from the going on of 2
races and then trying to race. his frustration was no doubt already at
an all time high and he fired off his thoughts before letting himself
cool down.

i would hope some apology from Hristo would patch this obstacle to an
otherwise nice little gathering of like minded racers.

again, Dave - please don't quit. take a deep breath, file this exchange
where anyone would after such a confrontation (imagine having it being
televised were we live and in person!) :o and come back stronger next
race.

that's all from me.
i just couldn't stand by quietly and see this rift go uncommented on.

bo

[BoBruce]

i had mistakenly downloaded the JNS Michigan track before this one, and
found its pit exit/entry road to be much wider.
since i'm just a racer here, i followed instructions to the track we
used, no since making waves and causing confusion a couple days before
the race. i don't know what all is involved to set up the server with a
different track.

speaking of JNS... Milwaukee is a fantastic track (1 mile oval) to race
on.. just saying ;)

speaking of which..... i cant' escape the absurdity of rF (just this
track?) need to keep the cars so close. we weren't racing coming out of
the pits... it was FORMATION! why in the world would it penalize me for
being too slow, 2 seconds from leaving a completely stopped start
position?? thats just wrong.

i'm not blaming anyone of the league, but i am blaming either the track
designer or rF for this silly inaccuracy. i'm certain it is an
adjustable feature, but i've no clue as to how - remember i'm the guy
that doesn't know how to change pit settings in car :P

maybe as in other leagues, a pre race test of starts would be good?
bo

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[Hristo]

Dave, it wasn't warp. You were perfectly smooth during corners and we
could race wheel to wheel without problems, so obviously there's no
warp. I could race 5 other people both on straight and corners
smoothly, so no - I don't have warp issues.

You may think you're smooth, but you ARE weaving. I can show you
replays if you don't believe it. When we're going at 380+ km/h and you
have someone in your slipstream, making a move, that's hardly the time
to take a defensive line in the last moment. And on oval, the last
moment is not when the cars are 30 meters or so from each other, but
100 and more. What is the car behind expected to do in such case, hit
the brakes and swerve to avoid you? Well, that's what I had to do
numerous times, just because you couldn't hold the middle or outside
line and yield a position once, knowing you can easily retake it back
on the following straight.

We did the latter endless times in the first race with Oliver, Lorenzo
and Bo, and none of us lost time or anything, we gained on you in
fact, because we were driving defensively. It is totally pointless to
do that so early in the race. So, as I said, you simply deserved to
see how it feels when someone else does what you do, so I switched to
your own tactics after 20 or 30 laps and you know say I was driving
like crazy. You only saw a reflection of your own driving, Dave. ;)

And the fact that you are older, does it mean you have more rights on
the road? I don't see how that makes a difference in racing. You are
fair and we had good fights, and the battle for victory in the early
race was all fine and obviously I was happy the way it ended, even
though I didn't win, so no - I'm anything but a sore loser, lol. I
knew well enough my car had no pace to give serious opposition. But in
the 2nd race you went all defensive and desperate right from the start
without any real reason.

Up to you if you want to participate or not. I'm simply being honest
with you here. I told you how it felt and looked from my point of
view. If you can't take it as a man and accept a different point of
view, but chose to simply quit instead, then that's your decision. If
you instead like racing, someone's opinion is hardly a factor in
taking the decision to quit.

Best wishes,

-=Hristo=-

[Eldred Pickett]

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:10 AM, BoBruce<bob...@comcast.net> wrote:

> again, Dave - please don't quit. take a deep breath, file this exchange
> where anyone would after such a confrontation (imagine having it being
> televised were we live and in person!)  :o   and come back stronger next
> race.
>
> that's all from me.
> i just couldn't stand by quietly and see this rift go uncommented on.
>

Welcome back, Bo. I've missed your sensible opinions/thoughts. :-)

Eldred
--
Sometimes I wonder, "Why is that Frisbee getting bigger?"...and then it hits me.

[DS Purdy]

You are just plain wrong Hristo. I did nothing any different in the second
race. I never made any defensive moves at all. I saw your car moving around
too. It was not easy to stay 1 foot away from you, but I did, and there was
never any contact between us. You were weaving around plenty when in front
of me in case you didn't know! The only aggressive driving I saw was you.
First you tried to drive onto the apron to pass me in practice at the start
finish and lost control, and successfully took me out into the wall. That
was 100% you. I had a perfect right to be as close to the line as possible
at the apex! Why do you think that was aggressive? If you saw my replay you
would see that I was perfectly smooth ALL the time. Then in the race at the
first pit stop you decided to drive an inch off my gearbox coming out of the
pits and caused me to spin out. I went down 12 seconds because of that, but
used the whole of the last two stints to catch you. That was rather
aggressive on your part, but I took it in stride, because this mod has an
over exaggerated loss of rear DF when a car is that close. Were you trying
to cause a problem there? What you are calling aggressive driving is simply
me driving the TRUE RACING LINE, TOTALLY MY CHOICE. I proved at the end that
an outside pass IS POSSIBLE, not easy, but possible. The fast line on this
track is to hug the line all the way around. If you think I am supposed to
go wide just so you can stick you nose under me, you are wrong again. But to
call me names is totally unacceptable. You owe me an apology. I drove in a
perfectly legal and acceptable way the whole race, and even did let it run
wide a bit on the back straight to let you get a run, because I knew I could
pass you back easily with the line you were running. Obviously you are not
that familiar with oval racing. Most of the time they have to pass on the
outside, which is very hard to do. I had no problem with the line you
finally decided to use at the end, and I eventually figured out how to make
that outside pass, by backing off a bit at the right time, and using the
draft and my 6th gear overdrive to get some speed, and pulled out at the
last second just before rear ending you, to sling shot past on the outside
going into turn 3/4 and make it stick. I never weave! Look at my past
record. These cars do move around a lot at speed when another car is tucked
up behind you, and sometimes it was difficult to keep the car smooth, but
that was all I was doing, correcting for turbulance. I was always trying to
keep it as smooth as possible. You are just ridiculously touchy, no doubt
due to the frustration of all the bad starts, but you seem to go off on
people with almost no provocation a lot. My reference to my age just means
that I tend to make errors sometimes, which happened on my exit from the
pits on the second pit stop.I was simply going too fast and pushed wide,
putting two wheels onto the banking as you arrived into turn 1, which was
not intentional. The track is plenty wide, and that would never be a problem
even if I put all four wheels onto the track. I went around people very wide
when they were coming out of the pits as a matter of routine, because I knew
it was easy to make that mistake.

You need to apologize for your remarks, or I will never drive with you on
the track again. I mean it. I won't swallow a remark like that. I taught my
son, Shawn to always be totally fair and he drives exactly like me. He is in
the top 5 drivers in the world in Pro class in iRacing because of it, and
has the highest safety rating of all drivers in iRacing. I was once very
fast too, btw. But just like Mario Andretti, age takes its toll and you get
slower on road courses. Ovals are much easier on an old guy (at least in
virtual racing). You are totally wrong and it was VERY rude to make a
comment like that, when it just isn't so. You don't seem to have a clue who
I am.

Just FYI, I had a discussion about oval setups on RSC a couple of years ago
with Racer Alex, who supposedly wrote the book on oval setups. He could not
make a setup as fast as mine for the rTrainer at Orchard Park. I beat his
time, lol. He was angry about that too, and I'll bet he would deny it today.
Go figure.

[Hristo]

Dave, Practice is Practice, I simply lost the car there, which never
happened in the Race. No need to bring dirty shirts outside races,
because we've all been there. That's why it's called Practice.

As for weaving, I never did, so I dunno... maybe it was warp, but that
doesn't explain how there was no warp with anyone else and with you
included when we were running side by side. What was your steering
ratio? I'm beginning to suspect rF online prediction system sucks with
more responsive steering.

About the pitstop, as soon as your car pitted ahead of me, it
disappeared out of view. The cars that had retired were also invisible
to me, except small pieces of their wings. Go figure. Probably
something to do with the low details I run, but it's ok usually. I
turned as much as possible exiting the pits because I knew you were
there somewhere.

If we're going to mention it all, I noticed (on the replay) how you
exited the pits in race 1, skipping onto the track as early as the
entry of T1, while all others were waiting until the backstraight. But
I suppose we can close our eyes for such details, right?

And I'm sorry to spoil it for you, but you're quite deluded if you
think I lost because I was taking wrong lines and I have no idea of
oval (or any?) racing. It seems you think you're the guy with all the
knowledge and experience, while all others have landed yesterday from
the Mars and have just began racing. I'll give you a hint though: car
choice...

On the positive side, great move on the last lap I must admit. Saw you
prepare to get a massive draft before the backstraight, but didn't
foresee well enough the substantial speed difference that accumulated.
If that counts as lack of oval racing skills or experience, then I
concur.

Anyway, I told you everything there is to be told in my e-mail
earlier, so it's up to you now.

[Eldred Pickett]

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 11:47 AM, DS Purdy<dave.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The fast line on this
> track is to hug the line all the way around. If you think I am supposed to
> go wide just so you can stick you nose under me, you are wrong again.

I saw the same arguments in N2003 at Daytona and Talladega. People
would get mad because the leader would hug the inside line and it was
almost impossible to pass unless he made a mistake. So there was
frequent use of the 'chrome horn'. :-(
There were even some leagues that had a rule that you *couldn't* stay
on the inside line. WTF? That never made sense to me...