MoO1 Title Change

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Dave

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Jun 11, 2008, 4:01:27 PM6/11/08
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Hi folks. I just wanted to let everyone know that I've changed the
title of Part One. It's something I thought about while I was writing
it, but I couldn't bring myself to change the title while I was still
posting the story. It now seems 'safer' to make the change. SIYE and
PS will both take the change without any issues; if you have a
favorite or a review or anything like that, it will attach to story
regardless of the title change.

The new title is "Meaning of One, Part One: Stone and Fire." It fits
better with future story titles and, of course, is much more original.

When I get a chance, I'll go through and modify the various
downloadable versions - PDF, html, doc, etc.

Thanks,
Dave

melkior

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Jun 11, 2008, 4:06:22 PM6/11/08
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Noooooooooooo!

One Fire will now burn down the site. It's going to explode!

Er, right... I'll go and take my medicine now.

Dino

(I guessed two words of the title. Now I feel super cool.
Er... Hello little panther. What are you doing here? You want to eat?
Here, take this. Argh!)

Chris Marshall

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Jun 11, 2008, 4:12:21 PM6/11/08
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lol... 
 
Stick and Stones my break my bones but Stone and Fire will break the site.

omega13a

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Jun 11, 2008, 4:27:16 PM6/11/08
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I hate it when authors rename their stories. It confuses me... And
melkior, you aren't the only one that needs to take their medication.
I have an urge to post something that makes no sense whats so
ever... :S

On Jun 11, 1:12 pm, "Chris Marshall" <centime...@gmail.com> wrote:
> lol...
>
> Stick and Stones my break my bones but Stone and Fire will break the site.
>

SomeGuyFawkes

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Jun 11, 2008, 4:42:53 PM6/11/08
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On Jun 11, 1:27 pm, omega13a <omega...@fedtrek.com> wrote:
> I hate it when authors rename their stories. It confuses me...

It also makes it harder to find the story -- especially if it's been a
while. (Not to mention setting off my plagiarism detectors. ;-) )

Speaking of finding: Please include link(s) when you start a new
thread on a story.

melkior

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Jun 11, 2008, 4:51:39 PM6/11/08
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Now that I've sobered up a bit...

> I hate it when authors rename their stories. It confuses me...

Well, I don't have such problems. I always memorize the authors (and
not the stories). Makes it a bit easier to find them later.

Besides, I like the new name. It says more about the story than the
'generic' variant. If MoO2 has an original name, so should the rest of
MoOverse stories (first part included).

And it could have been worse... "Bungle In The Jungle" or something
like that.

Actually, the acronym MoOPOSaF just rolls over the tongue. It has a
nice ring to it. Everyone now, repeat after me: "MoOPOSaF!"

Dino

Dave

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Jun 11, 2008, 4:59:09 PM6/11/08
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All links that previously pointed to MoO1, whether on SIYE or on PS,
will still point there. Most of the title (Meaning of One, Part One)
is the same, so it's still searchable the same way. It even
alphabetizes identically on lists. I tried to make the change as
transparent as possible, but I do firmly beleive the new title is
better.

And, come on, 'Mooposaf' is fun and easy to say.

Dave

omega13a

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Jun 11, 2008, 5:00:21 PM6/11/08
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MoOPOSaF (I couldn't help it :P)

omega13a

Phil Boswell

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Jun 12, 2008, 5:00:18 AM6/12/08
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On Jun 11, 9:01 pm, Dave <Sovra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The new title is "Meaning of One, Part One: Stone and Fire."  It fits
> better with future story titles and, of course, is much more original.

That's a good title, send shivers down your spine when you realise the
full implications...

> When I get a chance, I'll go through and modify the various
> downloadable versions - PDF, html, doc, etc.

Will you be able to upload the new cover image to the files section
here? My OCD yearns for completeness ;-)

/me coughs and digs his toe into the floor

I also seem to recall you were saying something about maybe taking
another look at your prologue to Part One sometime. I like it, it's
marvellously confusing to just about the correct extent. The only
glaring thing I would request is that you find another word to replace
your use of "marble" which gives me huge amounts of cognitive
dissonance: mayhap "particle" would suffice? I could argue for
"charged" over "magnetic" but that would be for a long evening in
front of the common-room fire ;-)

Thank you for providing the LIT format, I carry it on my PDA on a
permanent basis and can't wait until I have further files to accompany
it ;-)

I was going to ask 'what is the difference between the "presentation"
version of the PDF and the "normal" version?' but I've just downloaded
the former and it's gorgeous. That's going to be some piece of work to
re-jig, I'll bet, it's a work of beauty and art, properly befitting
the story within :-D

I'm not familiar with the technicalities and legal stuff, so bear with
me: would it be legal for you to provide these for printing through
Lulu? I would dearly love to have a hard-copy of that presentation
PDF, but I don't have a printer that could cope with it.

Thank you again for these stories. I'm looking forward to the next
instalment eagerly.
--
Phil
...who is amused by the links for "Master of Orion" that Google is
offering him

Dave

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Jun 12, 2008, 1:06:37 PM6/12/08
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> Will you be able to upload the new cover image to the files section
> here? My OCD yearns for completeness ;-)

Mine, too. That image, however, came from Orchidillusion. If she
wants to re-do it with the new title, I'll certainly be grateful, but
I'm not going to pursue it.

> I also seem to recall you were saying something about maybe taking
> another look at your prologue to Part One sometime. I like it, it's
> marvellously confusing to just about the correct extent. The only
> glaring thing I would request is that you find another word to replace
> your use of "marble" which gives me huge amounts of cognitive
> dissonance: mayhap "particle" would suffice? I could argue for
> "charged" over "magnetic" but that would be for a long evening in
> front of the common-room fire ;-)

Err . . . I think I may have been referring to "chapter 1", which is
technically chapter 2 on SIYE and PS. I'm really pretty happy with
the prologue. As for Chapter 1, I might look at it again someday, but
I don't want to stop writing new material to revise old stuff. That's
a dangerous trap, and I definitely don't want to end up re-editing the
entire story rather than working on current chapters.

> Thank you for providing the LIT format, I carry it on my PDA on a
> permanent basis and can't wait until I have further files to accompany
> it ;-)

Yup, that one is handy for me, too. I do most of my fanfic reading on
a PDA, though I often use the .doc format without converting it.

> I was going to ask 'what is the difference between the "presentation"
> version of the PDF and the "normal" version?' but I've just downloaded
> the former and it's gorgeous. That's going to be some piece of work to
> re-jig, I'll bet, it's a work of beauty and art, properly befitting
> the story within :-D

I think it will be easy enough to change the title, but that's also
someone else's work, so I don't want to promise anything. I probably
won't change the title on the "Presentation" version unless I can get
another cover image. It'd be really confusing, otherwise.

> I'm not familiar with the technicalities and legal stuff, so bear with
> me: would it be legal for you to provide these for printing through
> Lulu? I would dearly love to have a hard-copy of that presentation
> PDF, but I don't have a printer that could cope with it.

No, I can't do that. That would be considered distribution and thus
illegal. However, there is nothing stopping you from taking a
publicly-available file off of the internet and sending it to Lulu to
create an archival copy for your own, personal use.

Dave

Pfeilspitze "Mercredi" Armbrust

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Jun 12, 2008, 9:38:50 PM6/12/08
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On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 13:06, Dave <Sovr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> As for Chapter 1, I might look at it again someday, but
> I don't want to stop writing new material to revise old stuff. That's
> a dangerous trap, and I definitely don't want to end up re-editing the
> entire story rather than working on current chapters.
>

Wise decision. I've seen too many stories stop permenently with a
note that the author wanted to edit the beginning before continuing.

>> I was going to ask 'what is the difference between the "presentation"
>> version of the PDF and the "normal" version?' but I've just downloaded
>> the former and it's gorgeous. That's going to be some piece of work to
>> re-jig, I'll bet, it's a work of beauty and art, properly befitting
>> the story within :-D
>
> I think it will be easy enough to change the title, but that's also
> someone else's work, so I don't want to promise anything. I probably
> won't change the title on the "Presentation" version unless I can get
> another cover image. It'd be really confusing, otherwise.
>

The presentation version could well be very easy to rejig, assuming it
comes from a nice typesetting program, such as LaTeX. I'm continually
surprised at how many people will comment positively on the difference
between a LaTeXed document and the Word/OO.org documents they're used
to.

> No, I can't do that. That would be considered distribution and thus
> illegal. However, there is nothing stopping you from taking a
> publicly-available file off of the internet and sending it to Lulu to
> create an archival copy for your own, personal use.
>

I actually have a fanfic (not MoO) on order from LuLu. (Generated
from XeLaTeX, of course :P) MoO's on my list of things to get
printed, though, if I like how it comes out.

Alex Austin

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Jun 13, 2008, 9:01:38 PM6/13/08
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MoOPOSaF? Somehow reminds me of Mufasa (Lion King).

> The presentation version could well be very easy to rejig, assuming it
> comes from a nice typesetting program, such as LaTeX. I'm continually
> surprised at how many people will comment positively on the difference
> between a LaTeXed document and the Word/OO.org documents they're used
> to.

Remotely related - If anyone would like their fanfics LaTeXified, I'd
be happy to do so. I will return to you a nice PDF and the LyX files.
I'll even include a basic LyX primer if you ask nicely.

- Alex

Pfeilspitze "Mercredi" Armbrust

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Jun 13, 2008, 9:28:27 PM6/13/08
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On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 21:01, Alex Austin <circuits...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The presentation version could well be very easy to rejig, assuming it
>> comes from a nice typesetting program, such as LaTeX. I'm continually
>> surprised at how many people will comment positively on the difference
>> between a LaTeXed document and the Word/OO.org documents they're used
>> to.
>
> Remotely related - If anyone would like their fanfics LaTeXified, I'd
> be happy to do so. I will return to you a nice PDF and the LyX files.
> I'll even include a basic LyX primer if you ask nicely.
>

I started out with LyX, but have since just moved over to plain LaTeX,
just using LyX if I want to see, quickly, how to do something.

For something more complex I might use LyX, but fanfics really don't
need more that \chapter, \emph, indenting, bold, and a scene
separator, and I've made my own custom versions of all of them to make
it even nicer and easier. (A chapter command that allows prologues,
epilogues, handle unnamed chapters nicely, and allows optional
sub-names, for example.) LaTeX is easier to generate from a script,
too, which saves most of the effort of doing the HTML->LaTex, since a
perl script gets most of it.

And in LyX you can't really play with penalties and spaces in the same
way, so you can't get the scene separations to avoid 2-line
section-widows/orphans automatically, for example.

~ pfeil

P.S. The TeX line-breaking algorithm is really rather interesting, and
surprisingly powerful. I just wish there was a version that used the
line-breaking algorithm for page-breaking, too, since we have the
computing power, now.

Dave

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Jun 13, 2008, 11:26:11 PM6/13/08
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I've uploaded a .doc version with the new title and the new cover
art. That's all I have for now, but hopefully people can convert it
to other versions if they need to.

Dave

Dave

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Jun 14, 2008, 11:45:04 PM6/14/08
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The 'plain' PDF version is posted now, thanks to Chris. The
Presentation version is in the works.

Dave

Phil Boswell

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Jun 20, 2008, 9:50:53 AM6/20/08
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On Jun 15, 4:45 am, Dave <Sovra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The 'plain' PDF version is posted now, thanks to Chris.  The
> Presentation version is in the works.

Thanks for that. Is it my imagination or is the new "plain PDF" rather
bigger than the previous version? Is the cover image now included but
wasn't before?

Ah, I've spotted a slight problem: the pagination doesn't match the
Table of Contents. The PDF file only has 619 pages, yet Chapter 21
supposedly starts on p.645.

For that matter, a similar problem exists in the Presentation Edition,
where the TOC has Chapter 23 starting on p.720 but it is actually on p.
832.

One assumes they must be taken from a common source which doesn't have
a self-adjusting TOC.
--
Phil
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