board disruption
will
Hello calico,
Really grateful for your response. Courage is
good. Can't see how public discussion of these things can be
disruptive though so here goes; Do the US, Canada and Australia
maintain secretly tax funded population control organizations similar
to the old soviet empire's eastern european secret police
organizations? The UK does. Quietly referred to as 'the friends', they
spring a totalitarian ambush on the population. I have written of my
experiences in thier hands over twelve years, from a third party
viewpoint that tries to avoid frightening people from taking action.
You can see it at a jottit webpage (I'm really grateful to those
folks) www.afriendlycall.jottit.com
Mike Cothran
communications, none of that top posting for me)
> Hello calico,
> Really grateful for your response. Courage is
> good. Can't see how public discussion of these things can be
> disruptive though so here goes;
a few errors in your use of reasoning within your recent posts.
1) Try to use little words, they might have a classic meaning but they
might be more easily understood as well, which goes a long way to
pointing folks in the direction you are indicating rather than pointing
them in an all-together different direction.
1a) Try to organize your thoughts prior to posting, those empty posts do
not assist the story you tell.
1b) Try to use a new paragraph for each point you wish to make, these
are usually referred to as bullet points or if concise as well as self
evident, talking points. (In other words, divide your points into
paragraphs, expand those individual points in other paragraphs, and
later, show the connections of these points to reality, each other, and
the main theme in additional paragraphs.) For example; I have divided
your points into chunks I can comment upon in a logical fashion. Folks
like myself can only grasp what you mean from what you present in your
posts, make them count toward your goal of better imparting information.
> Do the US, Canada and Australia
> maintain secretly tax funded population control organizations similar
> to the old soviet empire's eastern european secret police
> organizations?
2) As to tax funded, the total amount the US spends yearly can not be
recovered via current taxes. This is called deficit spending, if you are
conversant with the term I have said enough, if you do not understand
that term and what it means I can point you to a dictionary or
encyclopedia which might help. IF instead you mean 'black budgets' then
please say as much, this is a common enough term, understood to mean
exactly one thing and one thing only to the solitary conspiracy theorist.
2a) The USSR's Eastern European SP organizations were a part of that
existing bureaucracy and had great penetration into the lives of its
subjugated people, for example: Stalin's purges were very effective in
what things they did accomplish and fear was one of those.
3) Use of the term 'tax funded' implies a level of control possessed
over the function of such an organization by the voting body's elected
officials which is grossly in error to my mind. You are also implying a
long term or duration for this organization by using the word 'maintain'
-- this additionally implies dozens or hundreds of individuals each year
added to the rolls of 'the organization' you posit.
Where do these folks live if not in the world we live, what can the
'state' (in the form of this organization) possibly cause to happen to
prevent just one with mission critical knowledge from defecting (as it
were) to the sane side of the street and blowing the whistle via the
newspaper, speaking circuit or nowadays the WWW (the internet is not all
that recent in any case, bulletin boards and the folks who ran them or
used them for information co-existed with the internet long before the
graphical user interface called the WWW used Hyper Text Markup Language
to become what it is today in terms of a vast clearing house of little
known but verifiable facts amid the billions of bits of garbage).
> The UK does. Quietly referred to as 'the friends', they
> spring a totalitarian ambush on the population.
4) 'The friends' do not seem to show up on any site on the internet,
quietly hiding or loudly exposed -- that is disturbing since it implies
a high enough degree of integration exists so as to eradicate any traces
of this insidious UK organization. I read the results of several search
engines to determine these facts, please check them yourself. The sad
thing about a wannabe conspiracy being probable is in the lack of
evidence, this dearth is very hard to overcome in this case. (Also, your
use of the word 'spring' is present tense, I think you mean they plan to
spring, as in future tense, or sprang as in past tense, or you need to
add the words 'have to' prior to the word 'spring' to fix your current
word choices.)
> I have written of my
> experiences in thier hands over twelve years, from a third party
> viewpoint that tries to avoid frightening people from taking action.
>
5) I think you mean to say the following, correct me if in error I be...
currently you imply you have written for 12 years of your experiences,
if this is true then you need to be more plain. For example:
I have written of my experiences of twelve years at their hands. I
did so from a third person point of view. This viewpoint was chosen by
me in an attempt to encourage persons reading my account into taking
action but I did not wish to frighten them -- if they are planning on
taking action -- from taking that action.
This construct might be more 'wordy' but it conveys the intent behind
your words much better -- but only if such be your meaning of course.
I read your words posted at the site shown below, I am not convinced,
you need to work on that, or as they say where I am from "You need to
lick that calf again." The word choices, the sentence structure, the
arrangement on the site all scream 'here an unsane person makes their
mark', that meaning is evident in your posts as well.
> You can see it at a jottit webpage (I'm really grateful to those
> folks) www.afriendlycall.jottit.com
>
6) Nice plug for these folks, do they have other areas of interest to
those of us on this mailing list, how did you learn of them, what cost
is charged for the hosting of your limited materials on that site.
All the best,
--
Mike C
A Pen Warmed In Hell by Nyc Alberts
Speaking as the first member of my family to be born in The United
States of America, and has someone who also:
a) arrived in the USA, within my pregnant mother's belly, about *one
hour* after John F. Kennedy got capped in Dallas, 44 years ago this
month, at Idlewild Airport in NYC, which was later renamed JFK
Airport, and...
b) spent a significant amount of my school summer vacations in the
1970s, through to the mid 1980s, visiting my family on my mother's
side who were trapped, behind the Berlin Wall in Soviet run, Communist
East Germany....
I need to say a couple of things.
One is, I don't have a lot of time, and/or patience for conspiracy
theories.
I've found that going "worst case scenario" and taking them at face
value and assuming that they're "true" is a good way to test out their
likely probability. Try it yourself sometime, the results may surprise
you.
One thing I've seen conspiracy theorists repeatedly do over the years
is conveniently elide over the idea that if these big bad
conspiracists did have the big bright brass cajones needed to pull any
of these ops off, then they're really not going to be too concerned if
their evil and nefarious plans for World Domination are made public.
So it's a waste of mental energy to dwell on them.
Your mileage, as always, may vary.
Another is, if the USA/UK/AU and other nations of the Western First
World are morphing into an East German Stasi type Police State, and
there's a lot of evidence that that is happening, (see: warrant-less
wiretapping, The Military Commissions Act, etc, etc, USA, early 21st
century); I don't believe that this was done through any big-brained,
power mad cabal, run by a Blofeldian evil genius, but rather it was a
slow, and gradual process that happened of its own accord,
organically, as it were, that has more to do with the Authoritarian
streak that we humans seem to have embedded into our social and
political DNA, (that is the focus of this list), more so than any
other factor.
Like, as some would have it, SMERSH, The Trilateral Commission,
SPECTRE, The Council On Foreign Relations, The Carlyle Group, or any
New World Order Shadow Government Group run by George Soros getting
too big for its britches and running amok.
Of course, I do reserve the right to be wrong.
Thanks for sharing, and have a great day.
~Nyc
A Pen Warmed In Hell by Nyc Alberts
Umm, I forgot to mention that one of my East German Aunts was labeled
a political dissident by the regime of the then Communist government,
and as a result spent 5 years of her life, held without charges, in a
Soviet Mental Hospital just prior to the collapse of the Berlin Wall.
In the late 1990s she self-published a book on her experiences, called
"Katrina, Katrina", which due to the fact that she vanity published it
in German, in Germany, it is not something I can immediately refer
you, or anyone else here, to.
I mention this because, yes, it is, (and has been), documented that
bad things like that have occurred to people, but I've yet to see one
credible case of it happening in the Western World, and your writings
on the subject have done little to disabuse me of that notion.
Again, thanks for your time today.
~Nyc
On Nov 7, 6:20 pm, will <billz.m...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
will
'orrible english again). I can smell your mob from a mile off.
Impersonation on the web is so much easier isn't it? Easier certainly
than the clunky old voice frequency analysis/matching technology you
use for 'phones. At least the re-education you've put on offer is an
improvement, even if it is intended to ridicule and point out a
moron. I'm not laying claim to brains as you well know, and
disinformation/distraction campaigns are no deterrent. Will this put
off genuine people? We'll have to see.
Jeremy Salmon
of everybody on the internet
are replicants and the other half are RPG scripts has somehow been proven?
Wow, that's some news for a Thursday.
j
Nyc W. Alberts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_People_of_the_Universe
http://www.furious.com/PERFECT/pulnoc.html
And, oh, btw, since we're on the subject, spoiler alert, Deckard is a Replicant.
http://tinyurl.com/yvxpog
m'kay, I'll stop feeding the troll now.
~nwa
Mike Cothran
fastman, err, fat man, oh drats, nevermind>
The total time snatched from my life to write this reply, proofread
and edit, polish and publish, 45 minutes in small chunks of 5 minutes
each over the last 3 hours as my daily tasks permitted. This was an easy
task since I posited the format of remarks in the posters original post
into the future for his reply to that posting of mine and had already
worked out what I would say to any points he would make, sadly, there
were too few points made with his reply and I see that I had wasted many
seconds in my formulations in anticipation of his reply, I am a slow
typist though, so my mind races ahead only to be dragged back on task.
Your subject "board disruption" tells me a lot about your outlook,
but, firstly, this is not a forum, not a message board, nor anything
like unto such, it is an email served list and though a repository for
those posts exists within Google's Groups I can't think of one post we
have seen which originated from that set of machines except yours. You
get points for looking into the header of the posting for the name
spelling of my last name. I see that billz...@yahoo.co.uk only appears
within this small group notwithstanding your efforts to disrupt the life
of many by the acts of one. I have no doubts as to the earnestness of
your intent.
From the message headers I extract these details:
209.85.146.246 is your IPA the headers tell me, I know better, this
is the IPA of a google machine from which the post came, "There is no
need to blind the eyes of a man if he will not open them to the light."
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; SU 3.004; .NET CLR
1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.30),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)
seems to be the originator application of the post, again, this is only
the machine from which the post came, it might not be your machine,
although it implies your OS and level of BIOS advancement in your
system. These are facts, indisputable at present but open to some
speculation as to the 'realness' of them in some way or in some fashion.
Much the same can be said of those things you write within the post you
sent to the list server to which we are all subscribed.
> Hello 'friendly' mike cothran, oh yes you is (drat, there's my
'orrible english again).
Starting at the end, working back, do not lose you way in this reply.
'you is' seems to be in greater use than it was held to be in years
past, although it is incorrect it does not detract from your ability to
convey information to the members of this mailing list. Since your shift
key does work, please, use that key rather than offer insult by its lack.
You also missed a comma, further lessons will cost you as you might
expect, my fees will be discussed on confirmation of intent by you to
pay in advance for time expended on your behalf.
Your assumption or assertion is in error, and yes, I have heard the
old saw implying "Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they are
NOT out to get you," unfortunately this is not the case here, I fly in
the face of your reasoning.
> I can smell your mob from a mile off.
That should be 'you mob', to be in proper dialect. You need to
remember that switching locational idiom or speech origins within a
single sentence is not good form and it tends to confuse the honest
readers. This is your last free lesson, further responses from you must
show you have learned the lessons to this point before they will be
remarked upon, this will be true after you pay my fee as well, take
heart. You have been warned, take heed.
now on to the point you make
I am not friendly to most, I hold myself reserved more often than not
with those displaying these patterns as you have presented (used in the
clinical sense).
> Impersonation on the web is so much easier isn't it?
Again, you offer common insult to one before many, your wish to
express yourself this way on this list expands into your 'real life'
which then becomes more difficult to manage, you need to rethink your
methods. Your assumption of prior acquaintance with myself is in error,
I know you not --prior to your intrusion into my life via the posts you
have made to this self selected subscription list you were unknown to
myself although your views as expressed by yourself are most similar to
those I have heard in the past from "self proclaimed nut jobs"; whom am
I impersonating since I am, indeed, can be no other than, myself, Will.
If I am not who I seem to be to others it is a failing on my part. I
do try to honestly and actively represent myself as no more or less than
I am at any given time but, like all endeavors humans attempt, a partial
failure may have occurred which allows your misunderstanding, but I
doubt that is the case here.
> Easier certainly than the clunky old voice frequency
analysis/matching technology you use for 'phones.
Starting at the end, working back, do not lose you way in this reply.
There seems to be an extraneous apostrophe (used prior in this your
posting to represent a missing h), am I to assume you intend to say
hphones -- if so, did you mean headphones, rather. If, instead, you
actually meant telephones, I must point you to the movie "The
President's Analyst" for my take on TPC -- the potential for its
regeneration today is greater than a sum zero estimate, i.e., AT&T's
recent efforts and harmonizations with the US FCC, acquisitions of many
of the BBs, and further efforts as well. As to your description of
VFA/MT as clunky and old technology, when it is as portable as bubble
gum will you be happy? Placed in the mouth, affecting all sounds emitted
in what ever fashion, chewing sounds, slight sighs, involuntary snorts,
gurgles and such... dream on, these contraptions do not exist as yet,
anyone thinking this occurs everyday must feel extraordinarily
exceptional, don't they Will; wakeup they are not out to get you, goad
you, or even grow you. This assumption is not becoming on you. (OTPR #1)
> At least the re-education you've put on offer is an improvement, even
if it is intended to ridicule and point out a moron.
Starting at the end, working back, do not lose you way in this reply.
I feel no need to point out morons, fools, or idiots, they do this
work many times better than I. There is no basket hiding an idiot light,
no screen door shielding us from an idiot wind, if this was coherent
light powered by the winds they emit we would be in a sorry state, let
me tell you.
If you feel ridiculed as a moron let me say, rather, maroon, al la
Bugs Bunny of Loony Tunes fame on this side of the big pond. You need
not trouble yourself with a reply to this or indeed, any, of the
postings you read on this list if to do so you would feel further
discontent, the list exists for the free exchange of opinions WRT the
list name. My life experience allows me to pass on to you these things,
further efforts on my behalf for you will only come with advance payment
of my fee and for my time.
There is no offer, I made no such offer, I do however, this one
additional time only, make further corrections to your thoughts and
reasoning as expressed and show a willingness to point out deep errors
in your basic thinking and reasoning, something many others might not
do, no matter the level of eagerness in yourself to wish it so. Take heed!
I hope you will take to your chair and practice those lessons;
improve yourself, no one else can do this for you, you can not hire it,
you can not expect it without effort, sigh, you have not demonstrated
any at all, yet. Change really does happen overnight, it is only in the
practice of the new that the old diminishes but others can tell the
change has occurred long before you are fully practiced and are well
content with the change as you envisioned. Keep at it, practice,
practice, practice, as all others must do, else you share the
destination prestidigitation dictates, your will -- out of sight, and
misdirected by your own desires to be so much different from others, so
that you feel extraordinarily exceptional, so much more than just
special -- there is no magic in that, Will.
> I'm not laying claim to brains as you well know, and
disinformation/distraction campaigns are no deterrent.
Starting at the end, working back, do not lose you way in this reply.
If campaign were champaign we would all be drunk, you say this is
such, I offer the following view, it is not, was not, and will never be
so. You claim to know what exists in my mind "I'm not laying claim to
brains as you well know", a shallow field you tarry to plough, rocky
though it be, will yield no harvest, but damage only thee.
> Will this put off genuine people? We'll have to see.
Those intending to offer to this email list genuine, thoughtful,
insightfully expressed views will continue as they have in the past
without any regard for your point of view -- or mine. To think other
than this is to swell yourself, or myself, with a noxious gas which is
most foul to the nose and baneful to the free thinking, free wheeling,
free living desirous to us all -- live free Will, no one wishes to trap
you, not I, nor anyone on this list full of interesting, if sometimes
unmoor'd, souls. (OTPR #2)
an aside insert here
_________________________
Needs must insert Obligatory Tim Powers References since I have now
made my reply to your views contain rationalizations from "Last Call"
[assumption the tarot card game to implying body switching as a means of
impersonation, although mannerisms and speech patterns carry over from
the original body and work against a true impersonation] as well as "On
Stranger Tides," his pirate love story book [unmoor'd souls ever
drifting, never anchored, drats, another OTPR, #3 now, this one from
"Declare," his spy novel, using ankhs to anchor..., well to say more
would be a spoiler].
...And unmoor'd souls may drift on stranger tides
Than those men know of, and be overthrown
By winds that would not even stir a hair ...
--William Ashbless--
Declare-- Powers has said of this novel "...it's taking Kim Philby's
story and weaving a supernatural hidden story into it; it winds up
involving Philby's father, St. John Philby, and T. E. Lawrence to some
extent, as well as the SIS, MI5, the KGB and GRU, and the French SDECE.
And it takes place in London, Kuwait, Berlin, Paris, and on Mount
Ararat. I've always been a big fan of John Le Carre, and this is sort of
'Tradecraft Meets Lovecraft'."
"I am taking the whole intricate history of the Cold War and cooking
up a supernatural secret explanation for everything ... it is sort of Le
Carre characters in a sorcerously torquered spy setting."
_________________________
now, returning from our aside, I hope those with ADD could follow, if
not, carefully re read until understanding is achieved but if re reading
many times please see a specialist for OCD
Return to your life, Will, with a feeling of release for such has
happened with your postings here, you released many a thought, if not
thoughtfully, many an insight, if not insightfully, and many a genuine
view, even if it is a view shared only by one a Conspiracy Cabal would
welcome. There seems no welcome mat laid out here for you.
As Monty Python would have it, in the well received motion picture
"MP & The Holy Grail" ... nevermind, the reference is plain for all to
see, and I tire of this, sport -- frenchyness aside, and on a cartoonish
Snidely Whiplash note, now for something totally different.
will
I'm going to try to clarify. ('cos I ain't giving up after watching
12+ years being stolen)
The similarity between the uk's population control organization 'the
friends' and the old East European 'stasi'- like population control
organisations is that they seek/sought (present tense from now on)
the same end; obedience to a central authority regardless of law,
repressing freedom under the law and indeed using law as a convenient
control tool while it is useful.
The difference (between 'friends' and 'stasi') is in the
circumstances and the means employed.
Circumstances: The 'stasi' existed lawfully (as far as I know the
soviet satellite states, with a nod from Moscow made any law they
chose without hindrance). 'The friends' do not exist lawfully, there
is no chance at all of a parliamentary budget allocation for an
organization that routinely subverts the rule of law as a matter of
course.
Means: 'Stasi' were pretty much free to repress (and lawfully
empowered to do so). 'The friends' are hampered by the need
(imperative is better) for secrecy. They must constantly seek a
balance between control and publicity, which is why, after initial
efforts to stop me communicating with the group, the hope now is that
I will be written off as another conspiracy nutter. (Indeed for all I
know, I'm posting to a 'friendly' website, but I am not writing off
12+ years)
How many people could guess I wonder, at the ease with which a 'prison
cell' of circumstances can be created around a person so as to deprive
that person of his/her freedom of association by robbing those around
him/her of their freedom of expression? I'll be back with more
clarification later I hope.
will
is actually what he writes, because this computer has been illegally
hacked (is that a netspeak redundancy?). When first attempting contact
with the group I posted a message at the prof's guestbook ( The
Authoritarians Guestbook) dated 5th Nov. The word 'psychoanalysis'
was altered to read 'psycho***ysis' mid-flight so to speak. Now one
can speculate on the interpretation of the missing 'anal' (and a
favourite 'friendly' control game is the invitation to interpret such
posturings), but hacked this computer is. Now I don't mind mentioning
this (and the message is still at the guestbook) because from past
experience secrecy will now take over (nasty publicity) and the
interference with the computer should stop. I will return with more
clarification I hope
On Nov 8, 8:39 pm, Mike Cothran <cothr...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> will wrote: <slowly I read, slowly I reply, swiftly I send, for I am
>
> fastman, err, fat man, oh drats, nevermind>
>
> The total time snatched from my life to write this reply, proofread
> and edit, polish and publish, 45 minutes in small chunks of 5 minutes
> each over the last 3 hours as my daily tasks permitted. This was an easy
> task since I posited the format of remarks in the posters original post
> into the future for his reply to that posting of mine and had already
> worked out what I would say to any points he would make, sadly, there
> were too few points made with his reply and I see that I had wasted many
> seconds in my formulations in anticipation of his reply, I am a slow
> typist though, so my mind races ahead only to be dragged back on task.
>
> Your subject "board disruption" tells me a lot about your outlook,
> but, firstly, this is not a forum, not a message board, nor anything
> like unto such, it is an email served list and though a repository for
> those posts exists within Google's Groups I can't think of one post we
> have seen which originated from that set of machines except yours. You
> get points for looking into the header of the posting for the name
> spelling of my last name. I see that billz.m...@yahoo.co.uk only appears
> drifting, never anchored, drats, another OTPR, #3 now, this one from ...
>
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